Will put the lotion on its skin in my basement
- glove_was_stuck

....BUT WE'RE THE LAMBS AREN'T WE?...WE WILL NOT BE SILENT!!!

I am inclined to agree except that it seems that the PA is asking for contracting terms almost as bad as before AND they want hundreds of millions more AND they want cost uncertainty in the future for the owners AND they want a shorter CBA...

I believe there is a deadline for season cancellation if the owners do not get whatever it is that they can live with, which we don't know yet exactly... but I bet they do
- Aetherial

Players will cave in on CBA length, same with pension, those are trading cards for longer contract terms and higher salary cap next year.

Most players care about ONE thing...it's maximizing their $$$ every year they can play. They are sacrificing half a season to make sure for the next 10 years they can still earn good $$. They knew all along they were gonna give back a lot this time and would be forced to accept contract limitations, they are trying to limit it.

The PA blinked last night.
The league didn't.

Let's just see what happens

(trust me, I am hoping they are stupid enough to file a DOI)
- Aetherial

I love and miss hockey........ but the curious side of me wants them to decertify and see how this plays out in the courts

Oh this is classic........


Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance

PA lawyers using Gary Bettman's own words from last night about disclaimer never being uttered as proof PA hasn't threatened to disclaim.
- faceto27

Did you expect them to not have lawyers? Is it not their job to be doing this sort of thing?

U dont think that the 2 contracts handed out this summer by the Wild GM isn't part of the reason we have no Hockey today?

Deep down i would love for this to end in the courts as it would be interesting to see a judge rule on the 2 monster contracts handed out just weeks before the lockout started..
- Fruitcakenipple

It was a foregone conclusion that we were headed over the cliff, long before Parise and Suter became UFAs.

I love and miss hockey........ but the curious side of me wants them to decertify and see how this plays out in the courts
- faceto27

Same here....

U dont think that the 2 contracts handed out this summer by the Wild GM isn't part of the reason we have no Hockey today?

Deep down i would love for this to end in the courts as it would be interesting to see a judge rule on the 2 monster contracts handed out just weeks before the lockout started..
- Fruitcakenipple

Considering Leopold is one of the "Hawks" I would agree. Still no where near as rotten as Jacobs nor does he eat kittens like Leonsis.

EDIT: PROOF!

U dont think that the 2 contracts handed out this summer by the Wild GM isn't part of the reason we have no Hockey today?

Deep down i would love for this to end in the courts as it would be interesting to see a judge rule on the 2 monster contracts handed out just weeks before the lockout started..
- Fruitcakenipple

meanwhile, in the new NHL landscape, those contracts won't exist anymore. so Suter and Parise should be kissing his hairy (frank)ing beanbag right now. it goes both ways. Parise and Suter were not blindsided and they knew exactly what they were getting into when they signed those contracts.

Considering Leopold is one of the "Hawks" I would agree. Still no where near as rotten as Jacobs nor does he eat kittens like Leonsis.
- glove_was_stuck

Considering Leopold is one of the "Hawks" I would agree. Still no where near as rotten as Jacobs nor does he eat kittens like Leonsis.
- glove_was_stuck

nothing wrong with eating kittens. cats are (frank)ing useless.

EDIT: sorry Yan

meanwhile, in the new NHL landscape, those contracts won't exist anymore. so Suter and Parise should be kissing his hairy (frank)ing beanbag right now. it goes both ways. Parise and Suter were not blindsided and they knew exactly what they were getting into when they signed those contracts.
- DoubleDown

U dont think a judge will rule in there favor in a anti thrust??

nothing wrong with eating kittens. cats are (frank)ing useless.

EDIT: sorry Yan
- DoubleDown

What is this a PF Changs?

meanwhile, in the new NHL landscape, those contracts won't exist anymore. so Suter and Parise should be kissing his hairy (frank)ing beanbag right now. it goes both ways. Parise and Suter were not blindsided and they knew exactly what they were getting into when they signed those contracts.
- DoubleDown

Im no lawyer but signing a contrac in good faith and then locking out that party to alter that contract just seems illegal. This is sports though so I guess they play by different rules? I dont know..

Besides, arent the Wild already paying them a portion as a bonus or something?

I love and miss hockey........ but the curious side of me wants them to decertify and see how this plays out in the courts
- faceto27

Playing out in the courts wouldn't be nearly as fun as to see what happens after the judge rules.

Imagine this: Judge Wopner lays down a ruling that the NHL was legal in locking them out, the decertification was just a bargaining ploy, and agrees with the NHL that all contracts are null and void.

BANG goes the gavel.

Every single player is now a UFA.

Including guys who haven't hit their 18th birthday.

Or their 14th birthday.

No salary cap.

No rules at all.

You'd be glued to TSN, while operating a laptop and an iPad, trying to keep up with it all.

Crosby entertains offers from 15 teams.

Komisarek begs the Islanders to sign him for $100,000.

McDavid signs a lifetime contract with MLSEL.

Oh, Sweet Jesus, it would be magnificent.

....BUT WE'RE THE LAMBS AREN'T WE?...WE WILL NOT BE SILENT!!!
- JIMI-JAMES

Never!

Did you expect them to not have lawyers? Is it not their job to be doing this sort of thing?
- Gunslinger

No what is funny about this is this.....

In the NHL's lawsuit they used a bunch of twitter quotes to support their claim. Now the PA are using last nights meeting and Bettman's quote that there was never a mention of the Disclaimer to have the court throw out the NHL's suit.

They are using the same tactics that the NHL used on them.........

Anybody remember the old Spy vs. Spy cartoon from MAD magazine? Reminds me of it

Im no lawyer but signing a contrac in good faith and then locking out that party to alter that contract just seems illegal. This is sports though so I guess they play by different rules? I dont know..

Besides, arent the Wild already paying them a portion as a bonus or something?
- Gunslinger

I bet they like there chances in a court battle...

Im no lawyer but signing a contrac in good faith and then locking out that party to alter that contract just seems illegal. This is sports though so I guess they play by different rules? I dont know..

Besides, arent the Wild already paying them a portion as a bonus or something?
- Gunslinger

Easy to argue your point. At the time of contract signing, the Wild had no idea there would be a lockout. Since the wild do not decide if there will be a lockout or not that that it takes a 2/3 vote to proceed, at the time of contract signing, you cannot hold the wild guilty of bad faith.

I love and miss hockey........ but the curious side of me wants them to decertify and see how this plays out in the courts
- faceto27

I find this whole thing interesting also...

Isn't it the same law firm representing the NFL NBA and NHL owners?

You have to know the NBA and NFL would LOVE to see the NHL go to the wall and establish some precedents.

This new tactic that labor uses, the sham DOI/Decertification either has to be corrected by changes to law, or by being defeated to establish precedent that it does not work. IT has definitely not been used for its original intent.

I suspect that there is a LOT of stuff that none of us knows that the lawyers and the league owners have discussed. I think they are more than aware of all the possibilities.

I still believe this really has nothing to do with the legal crap going on now. It has everything to do with whether or not the owners want a season more than they want whatever is on the table when we hit January 10 (or thereabouts). Everything else is more posturing and "noise".

... but damn it would be a fun thing to watch this play out long term!

Im no lawyer but signing a contrac in good faith and then locking out that party to alter that contract just seems illegal. This is sports though so I guess they play by different rules? I dont know..

Besides, arent the Wild already paying them a portion as a bonus or something?
- Gunslinger

For the first part: all contracts are governed by the parameters set by the CBA, so everything is on the straight and narrow, up and up, and legal.

And yes, they got a ton of money up front as signing bonuses. Which they received prior to the lockout, so they get to keep all of it.

Easy to argue your point. At the time of contract signing, the Wild had no idea there would be a lockout. Since the wild do not decide if there will be a lockout or not that that it takes a 2/3 vote to proceed, at the time of contract signing, you cannot hold the wild guilty of bad faith.
- Symba007

But they are part of the party thats doing the locking out though, no? Thats what Im getting at. They arent solely responsible, but they arent they still responsible. Maybe I wasnt clear enough or didnt express myself properly, sorry about that.

For the first part: all contracts are governed by the parameters set by the CBA, so everything is on the straight and narrow, up and up, and legal.

And yes, they got a ton of money up front as signing bonuses. Which they received prior to the lockout, so they get to keep all of it.
- Atomic Wedgie

This is all just so complex.

Playing out in the courts wouldn't be nearly as fun as to see what happens after the judge rules.

Imagine this: Judge Wopner lays down a ruling that the NHL was legal in locking them out, the decertification was just a bargaining ploy, and agrees with the NHL that all contracts are null and void.

BANG goes the gavel.

Every single player is now a UFA.

Including guys who haven't hit their 18th birthday.

Or their 14th birthday.

No salary cap.

No rules at all.

You'd be glued to TSN, while operating a laptop and an iPad, trying to keep up with it all.

Crosby entertains offers from 15 teams.

Komisarek begs the Islanders to sign him for $100,000.

McDavid signs a lifetime contract with MLSEL.

Oh, Sweet Jesus, it would be magnificent.
- Atomic Wedgie

Uh oh fifteen minutes to Judge Wopner.

I find this whole thing interesting also...

Isn't it the same law firm representing the NFL NBA and NHL owners?

You have to know the NBA and NFL would LOVE to see the NHL go to the wall and establish some precedents.

This new tactic that labor uses, the sham DOI/Decertification either has to be corrected by changes to law, or by being defeated to establish precedent that it does not work.

I suspect that there is a LOT of stuff that none of us knows that the lawyers and the league owners have discussed. I think they are more than aware of all the possibilities.

I still believe this really has nothing to do with the legal crap going on now. It has everything to do with whether or not the owners want a season more than they want whatever is on the table when we hit January 10 (or thereabouts). Everything else is more posturing and "noise".
... but damn it would be a fun thing to watch this play out long term!
- Aetherial

With the exception of the liability of an underfunded pension plan, all the other issues don't add up to the amount of money that each side will lose now if they cancel the season.

Split down the middle, for eff's sakes, and let's get going.

I find this whole thing interesting also...

Isn't it the same law firm representing the NFL NBA and NHL owners?

You have to know the NBA and NFL would LOVE to see the NHL go to the wall and establish some precedents.

This new tactic that labor uses, the sham DOI/Decertification either has to be corrected by changes to law, or by being defeated to establish precedent that it does not work.

I suspect that there is a LOT of stuff that none of us knows that the lawyers and the league owners have discussed. I think they are more than aware of all the possibilities.

I still believe this really has nothing to do with the legal crap going on now. It has everything to do with whether or not the owners want a season more than they want whatever is on the table when we hit January 10 (or thereabouts). Everything else is more posturing and "noise".

... but damn it would be a fun thing to watch this play out long term!
- Aetherial

Yes it is the same law firm.

Now this is where the conspiracy theory part of me comes into play. Bettman used to be a partner at that law firm. The Pro leagues would love to challenge this thing in court, but none of the big leagues wants to take the chance. So how about lets get the little guy, the NHL, to be the guinea pig. The law firm entices Bettman with untold riches, and Bettman manages to convince the owners to fight till the death.

The conspiracy theory in me.

Ya never know.............