YOU need to file a disclaimer of Dessertification.
- Aetherial

Nice.

*Wisers applause ...

When the new cap comes in the flyers need to file a disclaimer of bryzgalov ....
- The Law

One of them has to have an actuarial degree, no?

I'm sure they are focused on the "who's going to fund it" part. If I read it right it sounds like the League offer is to fund it equally but its share comes from 300 milly make whole. The PA wants a true funding split ...which I assume means in addition to the 300 milly make whole.
- The Law

The PA wants about 150 million more from an increased cap. They want another 150-300 million or so with two buyouts per team outside the system. They also want around 50 million or so more money towards the pension AND an "unknown" future liability on the owners part.

They think that they have the leverage to get that.

One of them has to have an actuarial degree, no?

I'm sure they are focused on the "who's going to fund it" part. If I read it right it sounds like the League offer is to fund it equally but its share comes from 300 milly make whole. The PA wants a true funding split ...which I assume means in addition to the 300 milly make whole.
- The Law

From what I understand, the bigger issue is liability past the expiry of the new CBA, should the pension fund go into shortfall.

That's something that would effect current values of franchises - I don't think the owners are just going to roll over on this one.

Not going to lie to you; I'm still hoping for decertification.

The PA wants about 150 million more from an increased cap. They want another 150-300 million or so with two buyouts per team outside the system. They also want around 50 million or so more money towards the pension AND an "unknown" future liability on the owners part.

They think that they have the leverage to get that.
- Aetherial

This sounds reasonable...

1-Make it 7 years deals
2- if at 30% variance, should not be an issue for PA
3- Can't blame the league, let the players fund their pension, they are millionaires.

Still the issue of the salary cap next year, League will move to 63-64M

deal by next week
- Symba007

Sounds bang on. With 2 buyouts so many guys will be cut. Louongo can be had for a fifth round pick. Hate to say it but burke prob did good in waiting.

Not going to lie to you; I'm still hoping for decertification.
- Atomic Wedgie

I as well...I'm filing one against my wife as we speak...

The PA wants about 150 million more from an increased cap. They want another 150-300 million or so with two buyouts per team outside the system. They also want around 50 million or so more money towards the pension AND an "unknown" future liability on the owners part.

They think that they have the leverage to get that.
- Aetherial

PA will get it...Fehr is squeezing them now...


They fear "The Fehr"

The PA wants about 150 million more from an increased cap. They want another 150-300 million or so with two buyouts per team outside the system. They also want around 50 million or so more money towards the pension AND an "unknown" future liability on the owners part.

They think that they have the leverage to get that.
- Aetherial

That is the only thing I think (key word) is wrong. Because the added $5 M in cap doesnt change the 50/50 aspect. The added $ from cap will be taken away in escrow, as far as I've read.

Everything else... well.... yea..

The PA wants about 150 million more from an increased cap. They want another 150-300 million or so with two buyouts per team outside the system. They also want around 50 million or so more money towards the pension AND an "unknown" future liability on the owners part.

They think that they have the leverage to get that.
- Aetherial

That is the only thing I think (key word) is wrong. Because the added $5 M in cap doesnt change the 50/50 aspect. The added $ from cap will be taken away in escrow, as far as I've read.

Everything else... well.... yea..

From what I understand, the bigger issue is liability past the expiry of the new CBA, should the pension fund go into shortfall.

That's something that would effect current values of franchises - I don't think the owners are just going to roll over on this one.

Not going to lie to you; I'm still hoping for decertification.
- Atomic Wedgie

Who do you think decertification favours? Will it be better or worse for fans?

I dont understand the implications of it, though I understand what it means.

Garrioch is a tool. Don't worry about what he says.
- Domidives

A big fat tool

The fact that this was leaked is not a good sign. Someone is using the media and screwing with the process.

Concussions anyone.... re "unknown liability"?

Sounds bang on. With 2 buyouts so many guys will be cut. Louongo can be had for a fifth round pick. Hate to say it but burke prob did good in waiting.
- hockeylegend488

Do you think a team would be willing to take that term though, even at a price next to nothing or do they wait and force the Canucks to buy him out? A game of bluff, for lack of a better term.

A big fat tool
- Alexzanki

Sounds bang on. With 2 buyouts so many guys will be cut. Louongo can be had for a fifth round pick. Hate to say it but burke prob did good in waiting.
- hockeylegend488

Yeah... now he only has 29 ... ok 27 (Phoenix and Florida) to contend with. This evens the fiancial playing field. It does not benifit Toronto, in fact, it is quite the opposite.

There is NOTHING to say that "TEAM A" trades a solid group for a 7th rounder on the same day Louingo is bought out and previouslty came to arrangments with Team A.

This esily benifits Louongo as it pays him and the number of teams he can choose from grows.


ALSO ---- in a short season, Lou is going to stay. This wil be a sprint, and good teams will need two solid netminders and Eddie Lack has yet to play a game.

The PA wants about 150 million more from an increased cap. They want another 150-300 million or so with two buyouts per team outside the system. They also want around 50 million or so more money towards the pension AND an "unknown" future liability on the owners part.

They think that they have the leverage to get that.
- Aetherial

So other than Komi, who do you think that will be on the Leafs?

So other than Komi, who do you think that will be on the Leafs?
- Atomic Wedgie

My money's on Dion...

So other than Komi, who do you think that will be on the Leafs?
- Atomic Wedgie

Can you buy out a buy out from last year?

So other than Komi, who do you think that will be on the Leafs?
- Atomic Wedgie

Grabs would be a smart move...That contract is a over payment...

My money's on Dion...
- Flyfreaky

You're mommy's on who now?

The PA wants about 150 million more from an increased cap. They want another 150-300 million or so with two buyouts per team outside the system. They also want around 50 million or so more money towards the pension AND an "unknown" future liability on the owners part.

They think that they have the leverage to get that.
- Aetherial

Sounds right ...although the PA gave up the "cap on escrow" and offered to keep the floor at 44 milly so that negates the 150 million on the cap increase. That issue won't cause further delay. It's really an issue of competitiveness between teams.

I'm no actuariliast so I don't understand the pension issues fully. Is the 50 million a "per year" number?

You think we'll see 5-10 million per team in buyouts? Maybe. Hard to predict. At least on that issue each owner would be writing their own cheque(s) and in control of their own decisions/costs.

My money's on Dion...
- Flyfreaky

Good choice... ....Not bad for a fat guy in a box...

Who do you think decertification favours? Will it be better or worse for fans?

I dont understand the implications of it, though I understand what it means.
- Gunslinger

It will be better for Leafs fans, Habs fans, Canucks fans, Rangers fans and Flyers fans.

It will eventually kill 4-10 franchises.

But boy oh boy would it be fascinating to watch.

And it favours the better players, and absolutely pounds 3rd and 4th liners in their bottoms.

You really think anyone is going to give David Steckel $1.1 million a year? Dude will be lucky to get $200,000 a year, and that won't be a guaranteed contract.

That is the only thing I think (key word) is wrong. Because the added $5 M in cap doesnt change the 50/50 aspect. The added $ from cap will be taken away in escrow, as far as I've read.

Everything else... well.... yea..
- mrhattrick27

Yeah I kinda don't get that. I just figured the teams at the cap would spend 5 mill more and the teams at the floor will have to spend 5 million more. If that was all the teams, it would be 150 million. In fact, I meant to type 100 million because not all teams would be affected... and it is only a guesstimate.

Then, we have the escrow discussion. I don't believe the escrow issue is resolved yet. It seems the PA has not brought it up yet, but it has been Fehr's tactic all along to throw in something to derail the process just as talks are progressing. I would not be surprised to see it thrown on the table again.

Anyway, as near as I can tell we have differences in:

CBA term (close)
Contract length. The PA is still making demands despite the NHL apparently coming a long way to 30%
Year 2 cap
Amnesty buyouts and where the money comes from
Pensions

... and those are the ones we know about. Some of those, maybe ALL of those are actually big ticket items. These sides appear to still be hundreds of millions apart as near as I can tell.