I think (wild guess) that this is asking the court to dismiss the NHL's pre-emptive strike that they filed in New York.

Edit: this one:

http://www.winnipegfreepr...-complaint-183556711.html

As I said above, I'm merely guessing.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wow the NHL going all out..


There many here who claim the NHL was never or not worried about a DOI....Seems to me they are very concerned..
Dangerous game they are entering into...Good luck..

? Do you understand this? I feel like I am missing context here. I am not sure what is being discussed.

Is the PA filing for a motion to dismiss the action the NHL filed, saying that the NY court has no jurisdiction?

I guess my question then would be, how can they hope to succeed. Where exactly IS there jurisdiction?
- Aetherial

Keep in mind I have absolutely no legal background in this, but from a layman's perspective, NY State has the most amount of teams (only matched by California) plus the league head office.

But rather than start wild guesses, it's probably better to see what was filed.

I don't think Rogers and Bell care that much, to be honest.

The last lockout and subsequent imposing of a salary cap meant record profits (note: that's different - and better than record revenues) for MLSEL. So in the end, missing a season was worth it.

And they don't fear contraction, either. Hell, it helps them out. Less weak sisters means less teams to prop up. They still get 45 home dates a year, whether there are 30 teams or 24 or 20.
- Atomic Wedgie

They dont care about a court battle with players?? and a loss of maybe 2+ seasons...U really think so??

Just like 2005?
- Atomic Wedgie

Totally different "lock-out" in 05.........and you know it

I don't think Rogers and Bell care that much, to be honest.

The last lockout and subsequent imposing of a salary cap meant record profits (note: that's different - and better than record revenues) for MLSEL. So in the end, missing a season was worth it.

- Atomic Wedgie

Im not sure that would be enough to overcome the millions, possibly hundreds of millions, they will lose in a whole season.

Eventually that cap went up and up and up and they ended up right where they were before.

Guys .. I cannot figure out how to imbed this video link....

But please... take 3 minutes and enjoy the Absolute WORST New years Eve Show ever produced... and in LA even!

http://www.break.com/inde...w-years-show-ever-2402197

The guy beating up the drunk black woman at the end is just to Christmassy.... and thats is not even in the top 5 of wierdness in this production....

Watch it.... (no, this is not a Rickroll)
- Beatle_john

Ha ha ha! WHAT A TRAINWRECK!! How much did they pay to bail Bone Thugs n Harmony out of jail?

Im not sure that would be enough to overcome the millions, possibly hundreds of millions, they will lose in a whole season.
- Gunslinger

there is also all the television ad revenues that they are losing.

That surely is a HUGE number

OMG that was a disaster.
- Aetherial

Holy (frank), it was fitting that he said "brought to you by Carls Jr." at the end because this truly was a scene right out of the movie Idiocracy! Wow

Yeah... now he only has 29 ... ok 27 (Phoenix and Florida) to contend with. This evens the fiancial playing field. It does not benifit Toronto, in fact, it is quite the opposite.

There is NOTHING to say that "TEAM A" trades a solid group for a 7th rounder on the same day Louingo is bought out and previouslty came to arrangments with Team A.

This esily benifits Louongo as it pays him and the number of teams he can choose from grows.


ALSO ---- in a short season, Lou is going to stay. This wil be a sprint, and good teams will need two solid netminders and Eddie Lack has yet to play a game.
- Beatle_john

The fact is that most NHL teams are content with their current goalie, so even if Lu wouldn't cost a team assets, why would they throw millions of dollars to sign a guy who would most likely be their backup? Unless he is willing to sign with a team for under a couple million per season.
There are still the same amount of suitors for Lu, especially if he still wants to be a #1...only thing that changes is that the Leafs may not have to give up assets to get him if he's bought out...

Technically, it would have to be him - not the players - who would file a disclaimer of interest.

This is part of what makes it so funny - he got the players to vote on whether or not he could decide to walk away and no longer represent them.

It's so transparently a bargaining ploy, it's laughable.
- Atomic Wedgie

And on top of that, it sounds like he's now asking them to vote again to give him that power....just 14-ish hours after he decided not to wield that power.

Nooooo, not a ploy at all!!!!!!!!!!

there is also all the television ad revenues that they are losing.

That surely is a HUGE number
- faceto27

Concessions? Parking? List goes on...

According to SportsNet’s Nick Kypreos and confirmed by other sources, the union’s executive board approved another vote from the membership for filing the disclaimer if a CBA agreement is not reached by the end of Thursday’s negotiations in Manhattan.

The voting was expected to begin Thursday and could be completed by Friday in time for a filing.

Needless to say, such a move could seriously stall whatever momentum and traction has been gained to this point in the discussions. Both sides admit they are close to a deal but apparently, neither is willing to move anymore on certain issues that continue to divide them.

It remains unknown exactly what kind of reaction this will draw from the league’s owners but it can’t be good.

Im not sure that would be enough to overcome the millions, possibly hundreds of millions, they will lose in a whole season.
- Gunslinger

What about multiple seasons??...They just invested a poop load of coin in buying MLSE and the Leafs where the main part of that purchase...

$0 income from the Leafs will be a tough pill to swallow...

They dont care about a court battle with players?? and a loss of maybe 2+ seasons...U really think so??
- Fruitcakenipple

I think that MLSEL secretly is dying for the union to decertify. It frees up the Leafs to do whatever the hell they want, and not be encumbered by salary cap or revenue sharing or anything else that hinders them to operate as the most profitable team in the league.

Not to mention that in the NHL's court filing, they stated that if the NHLPA was to decertify, all existing contracts would be null and void.

Imagine MLSEL being allowed to bid on Crosby and Ovi and Webber and Toews all at once.

I think they would love it.

I think the ten bottom feeder teams would lie to themselves and say that everything is going to be alright, because they no longer have a salary floor.

But they would whither away. Eventually.

And on top of that, it sounds like he's now asking them to vote again to give him that power....just 14-ish hours after he decided not to wield that power.

Nooooo, not a ploy at all!!!!!!!!!!
- stashu

From my understanding, time just ran out on the old one. Doesnt mean they abondoned it. It just meant both sides felt they may have been really close to a deal and just let it slide. Im not saying I agree with the PA stance, im just trying to rationalize it.

They dont care about a court battle with players?? and a loss of maybe 2+ seasons...U really think so??
- Fruitcakenipple

I think the real question that everyone ignores is what do they care about MORE.

I am quite certain nobody in the NHL wanted the PA leadership to file a DOI last night. What they cared about MORE though was not signing a bad deal.

The only question that matters now is where is the fiscal line the NHL has drawn in the sand.

Bettman et al, know exactly what the owners will and won't accept. They are HIGHLY motivated to play a season, but they already know under which conditions they will torch the season.

Does playing matter to them? Of course. At some point though, we really do need to remember, a significant number of teams lose money every year AND the owners of all teams made hundreds of millions or billions elsewhere in the first place, or they would not own teams.

They want to play, but not "at any cost".

What the PA is still asking for is worth hundreds of millions AND still leaves the door open for some cap circumvention, AND significant uncertainty of future costs associated with pensions.

We aren't talking nickels and dimes.

Jeremy Jacobs was just seen walking into a Toys R Us and asking the cashier:

"May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"
- Atomic Wedgie

They dont care about a court battle with players?? and a loss of maybe 2+ seasons...U really think so??
- Fruitcakenipple

And don't assume a loss of 2+ seasons. There's nothing to say that it couldn't be dealt with quickly, and training camps open in September.

What would likely happen, though, is the NHLPA would re-form.

And let's be honest: they are never, ever going to disband. They know it means the end of guaranteed contracts.

They will never, ever risk that.

I think that MLSEL secretly is dying for the union to decertify. It frees up the Leafs to do whatever the hell they want, and not be encumbered by salary cap or revenue sharing or anything else that hinders them to operate as the most profitable team in the league.

Not to mention that in the NHL's court filing, they stated that if the NHLPA was to decertify, all existing contracts would be null and void.

Imagine MLSEL being allowed to bid on Crosby and Ovi and Webber and Toews all at once.

I think they would love it.

I think the ten bottom feeder teams would lie to themselves and say that everything is going to be alright, because they no longer have a salary floor.

But they would whither away. Eventually.
- Atomic Wedgie

Not necessarily. The bottom teams would just have to have very smart management and talent evaluators.

Think of the Oakland A's

I think that MLSEL secretly is dying for the union to decertify. It frees up the Leafs to do whatever the hell they want, and not be encumbered by salary cap or revenue sharing or anything else that hinders them to operate as the most profitable team in the league.

Not to mention that in the NHL's court filing, they stated that if the NHLPA was to decertify, all existing contracts would be null and void.

Imagine MLSEL being allowed to bid on Crosby and Ovi and Webber and Toews all at once.

I think they would love it.

I think the ten bottom feeder teams would lie to themselves and say that everything is going to be alright, because they no longer have a salary floor.

But they would whither away. Eventually.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think it is correct to say they REQUESTED the bolded part. Them stating it doesn't make it so.

The NHL doesn't believe the players have the balls to decertify. I believe they are correct. I still hope the players are that stupid.

McKinnon, McDavid signed for 20 years at 10 million per year...

And don't assume a loss of 2+ seasons. There's nothing to say that it couldn't be dealt with quickly, and training camps open in September.

What would likely happen, though, is the NHLPA would re-form.

And let's be honest: they are never, ever going to disband. They know it means the end of guaranteed contracts.

They will never, ever risk that.
- Atomic Wedgie

Having a union doesn't mean you will have guaranteed contracts. The NFL doesn't have guarnateed contracts and they are unionized.

Not necessarily. The bottom teams would just have to have very smart management and talent evaluators.

Think of the Oakland A's
- faceto27

If only a rich team could be smart.

I think the real question that everyone ignores is what do they care about MORE.

I am quite certain nobody in the NHL wanted the PA leadership to file a DOI last night. What they cared about MORE though was not signing a bad deal.

The only question that matters now is where is the fiscal line the NHL has drawn in the sand.

Bettman et al, know exactly what the owners will and won't accept. They are HIGHLY motivated to play a season, but they already know under which conditions they will torch the season.

Does playing matter to them? Of course. At some point though, we really do need to remember, a significant number of teams lose money every year AND the owners of all teams made hundreds of millions or billions elsewhere in the first place, or they would not own teams.

They want to play, but not "at any cost".

What the PA is still asking for is worth hundreds of millions AND still leaves the door open for some cap circumvention, AND significant uncertainty of future costs associated with pensions.

We aren't talking nickels and dimes.
- Aetherial

While I do not disagree with your post, it makes sense and is very well thought and expressed, there has to be more to this. I can imagine the bigger markets who turn profits want to lose a season. To them, its not worth it. There has to be pressure from the big guns, MLSE as an example, to get something done and not lose the season. They cant all be on the same page, and with them being only 30 in total, a divide could make a huge difference.

I think that MLSEL secretly is dying for the union to decertify. It frees up the Leafs to do whatever the hell they want, and not be encumbered by salary cap or revenue sharing or anything else that hinders them to operate as the most profitable team in the league.

Not to mention that in the NHL's court filing, they stated that if the NHLPA was to decertify, all existing contracts would be null and void.

Imagine MLSEL being allowed to bid on Crosby and Ovi and Webber and Toews all at once.

I think they would love it.

I think the ten bottom feeder teams would lie to themselves and say that everything is going to be alright, because they no longer have a salary floor.

But they would whither away. Eventually.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes, that way they can go miss the playoffs with 180 million in players salary vs. 70 million..... I really bet that's what they're hoping for....

From my understanding, time just ran out on the old one. Doesnt mean they abondoned it. It just meant both sides felt they may have been really close to a deal and just let it slide. Im not saying I agree with the PA stance, im just trying to rationalize it.
- Gunslinger

thats exactly what happened