let me guess...

U jumped last night missed the sidewalk and landed in a dumpster.....

Try again...
- Fruitcakenipple

Probably my favourite post of the day.

Uhhh....no...

If they had negotiated off of the October full season offer rather than being a bunch of pussies then they would have come to a very similar deal and not lost much salary or HRR going forward. Anyone that looks at it differently is delusional!
- Iggysbff

Funny thing about the last CBA:

- if the owners had signed the original offer from the NHLPA, the owners would have been much better off.

And...

- if the NHLPA had signed the original offer from the NHL, the players would have been much better off.

It's the stupidity that unites us all.

Are we talking about loss of guaranteed contracts?

Maybe.

But let's be realistic - signing a 10 year CBA means almost every current player will be gone by the time the next one is up.
And I'd hesitate to predict the landscape 8-10 years from now. Meaning drawing a line in the sand now about something that may happen a decade from now would be stupid.
- Atomic Wedgie

Except Freakorsuperenko!

Funny thing about the last CBA:

- if the owners had signed the original offer from the NHLPA, the owners would have been much better off.

And...

- if the NHLPA had signed the original offer from the NHL, the players would have been much better off.

It's the stupidity that unites us all.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think stubborness too.

Yeah... now he only has 29 ... ok 27 (Phoenix and Florida) to contend with. This evens the fiancial playing field. It does not benifit Toronto, in fact, it is quite the opposite.

There is NOTHING to say that "TEAM A" trades a solid group for a 7th rounder on the same day Louingo is bought out and previouslty came to arrangments with Team A.

This esily benifits Louongo as it pays him and the number of teams he can choose from grows.


ALSO ---- in a short season, Lou is going to stay. This wil be a sprint, and good teams will need two solid netminders and Eddie Lack has yet to play a game.
- Beatle_john

The buyouts dont happen until next summer...Lou is a Canuck this season if there is one.

But for a lot of the lower teams, they are currently losing money. Ceasing operations for a year or two isn't as scary a thought as you might think - hell, some of them may be better off financially.

Player salaries are currently 57% of revenues - and for some of the smaller teams, that number is higher.

And then you cut out the plane fares and hotel rooms and insurance and everything else.

Laying fallow for a year or two might be a good thing.
- Atomic Wedgie

i believe that there are teams in this league who should not have payrolls north of $25 million.

i believe that there are teams in this league who should not have payrolls north of $25 million.
- DoubleDown

Im not disagreeing, but is it a matter of shouldnt or cant?

Not trying to nit pick on semantics, just trying to get what you mean.

Funny thing about the last CBA:

- if the owners had signed the original offer from the NHLPA, the owners would have been much better off.

And...

- if the NHLPA had signed the original offer from the NHL, the players would have been much better off.

It's the stupidity that unites us all.
- Atomic Wedgie

well it seems those involved with sports dont pay all that much attention to history

On one hand I am tempted to agree.

On the other hand, I feel the PA is fighting for 10% of its members and the expense of the other 90%. I have to wonder if the *rich* owners are really running the show and the league is doing exactly the same thing the PA is doing.

It seems that the NHL is giving concessions that are creeping them closer and closer to the old CBA. (we don't know that for sure). If that is true though, then it looks like the bottom feeder teams will be thrown under the bus again with a CBA they cannot continue to operate or compete under.
- Aetherial

Ya know....... I've had this little gut feeling of the same thing. The mantra is protect the small market teams, yet as you stated, it appears to be getting closer and closer to the existing CBA. Perhaps the big clubs are just wiser in playing this out this way so as not to be seen as the big bully.

well it seems those involved with sports dont pay all that much attention to history


- Dozzer

i believe that there are teams in this league who should not have payrolls north of $25 million.
- DoubleDown

Getting rid of the Cap would allow that to happen....Wasn't it the league who wanted the cap??

The buyouts dont happen until next summer...Lou is a Canuck this season if there is one.
- Iggysbff

Dont tell him that....That was on the down low...

Getting rid of the Cap would allow that to happen....Wasn't it the league who wanted the cap??
- Fruitcakenipple

They wanted it to give all 30 teams the chance to be competitive

Getting rid of the Cap would allow that to happen....Wasn't it the league who wanted the cap??
- Fruitcakenipple

I think a soft cap would be the perfect answer. Let teams go above it and make them pay % of the over spending to the smaller market teams. The extra % they go over is not counted toward the players and their % of the split, because its a situation that benefits the smaller markets too.

Would almost be a perfect scenario for both sides.

Getting rid of the Cap would allow that to happen....Wasn't it the league who wanted the cap??
- Fruitcakenipple

Yes, the league wanted it.

It works in MLB. Big clubs spend boatloads and then you have the Oakland A's of the world.

And they remain competitive

Was just reading this and honestly, it caught me off guard.....


The NHL and NHLPA continue to squabble over the future of the NHL's salary structure, but as it currently stands, the Buffalo Sabres currently have the highest payroll in the entire league, at least as far as pure salary dollars.

Thanks to the massively front-loaded (some would argue cap-circumventing) extensions to Tyler Myers and Christian Ehrhoff, the Sabres are paying out $75.3 million - the most dollars to their players this year out of all 30 NHL teams.

Myers is being paid an insane $12 million this season, despite having only a $5.5 million cap hit thanks to his eleventy-billion year contract, while Ehrhoff is being paid an almost-as-ridiculous $8 million this year for a $4 million cap hit. That's $20 million committed this season to just two defenders, for you math wizards out there.

Their $75.3 million number is the highest in the league by almost $4 million, edging out theMinnesota Wild, who sit at $71,839,444 this year.

I think a soft cap would be the perfect answer. Let teams go above it and make them pay % of the over spending to the smaller market teams. The extra % they go over is not counted toward the players and their % of the split, because its a situation that benefits the smaller markets too.

Would almost be a perfect scenario for both sides.
- Gunslinger

Stop being logical

Yes, the league wanted it.

It works in MLB. Big clubs spend boatloads and then you have the Oakland A's of the world.

And they remain competitive
- faceto27

Some do, some don't....ask the Pirates and Royals about being competive.

well it seems those involved with sports dont pay all that much attention to history


- Dozzer

Considering the significance Lincoln had on race relations, it seems almost impossible that grown adults, black or white wouldn't have some clue as to the history of their own country and the gravity of one presidents actions. Wow. I'm stunned.

let me guess...

U jumped last night missed the sidewalk and landed in a dumpster.....

Try again...
- Fruitcakenipple

Stupidest post of the day!

I personally know some owners and they did not want to miss any games at all this year. They did not want to lock the players out, but by not negotiating until really December, they had no choice.

The pace of this has all been dictated by the PA. They wanted to make it adversarial and they have. It did not have to turn this way but they chose to do it. They have lost far more than they will ever gain. Its been all political decisions instead of well thought out strategies. unfortunately the NHL feared it would be like this the moment Fehr was hired. And they were right. Fehr is killing the sport. He has killed all the momentum the league had going for it. They have alienated millions of fans and for what? Its a complete joke. (frank) Fehr and (frank) the PA!

If thats the case I have to assume its because they cut back on another one of the issues. So they gave more on this one?
- Gunslinger

Have you heard of any point in this negotiation that the NHL has given players MORE then what they are asking?

Getting rid of the Cap would allow that to happen....Wasn't it the league who wanted the cap??
- Fruitcakenipple

but it rose to fast and brought the floor with it. that's the problem. this league needs a cap with no floor. it's not built any other way. there are too few strong markets and too many weak ones to be prosperous in this system. and for ppl saying revenue sharing, no (frank)ing way. you can't increase revenue sharing in a league where half the franchises are all but invisible in their own markets.

Was just reading this and honestly, it caught me off guard.....


The NHL and NHLPA continue to squabble over the future of the NHL's salary structure, but as it currently stands, the Buffalo Sabres currently have the highest payroll in the entire league, at least as far as pure salary dollars.

Thanks to the massively front-loaded (some would argue cap-circumventing) extensions to Tyler Myers and Christian Ehrhoff, the Sabres are paying out $75.3 million - the most dollars to their players this year out of all 30 NHL teams.

Myers is being paid an insane $12 million this season, despite having only a $5.5 million cap hit thanks to his eleventy-billion year contract, while Ehrhoff is being paid an almost-as-ridiculous $8 million this year for a $4 million cap hit. That's $20 million committed this season to just two defenders, for you math wizards out there.

Their $75.3 million number is the highest in the league by almost $4 million, edging out theMinnesota Wild, who sit at $71,839,444 this year.
- opeth_pa

yep and we have no hockey because of them...

Was just reading this and honestly, it caught me off guard.....


The NHL and NHLPA continue to squabble over the future of the NHL's salary structure, but as it currently stands, the Buffalo Sabres currently have the highest payroll in the entire league, at least as far as pure salary dollars.

Thanks to the massively front-loaded (some would argue cap-circumventing) extensions to Tyler Myers and Christian Ehrhoff, the Sabres are paying out $75.3 million - the most dollars to their players this year out of all 30 NHL teams.

Myers is being paid an insane $12 million this season, despite having only a $5.5 million cap hit thanks to his eleventy-billion year contract, while Ehrhoff is being paid an almost-as-ridiculous $8 million this year for a $4 million cap hit. That's $20 million committed this season to just two defenders, for you math wizards out there.

Their $75.3 million number is the highest in the league by almost $4 million, edging out theMinnesota Wild, who sit at $71,839,444 this year.
- opeth_pa

and we still wonr make the playoffs

Have you heard of any point in this negotiation that the NHL has given players MORE then what they are asking?
- Cfser

I have heard very little of whats going on and alot of what I hear im not even sure is 100% accurate. Im not implying the media is ignorant, im just wondering if the info they get from the sides isnt "posturing"