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canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jan 8 @ 1:30 PM ET
I'm still waiting to see a pic of tubby
- aightwebang17



How rude, her name is Felicity.




Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 8 @ 1:31 PM ET
Just for conversation purposes, any interest in Redden for 1/2 his cap hit? With teams allowed to absorb half of a cap hit in trade, and the Rangers having his full cap hit now, they may look to do what they can. Doubt it would happen, but Redden at a $3.25 cap hit for 2 years (I think)?
- KATG


I haven't seen him play in so long. I guess the question would be, can he still play to the level of a 3.25 mil guy or is he completely done?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 8 @ 1:31 PM ET
You can still send him down, but would have to carry a portion of his contract on the cap.
- bradleyc4


True, there would be a "shallow" grave for Walker
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 8 @ 1:32 PM ET
Just for conversation purposes, any interest in Redden for 1/2 his cap hit? With teams allowed to absorb half of a cap hit in trade, and the Rangers having his full cap hit now, they may look to do what they can. Doubt it would happen, but Redden at a $3.25 cap hit for 2 years (I think)?
- KATG


Not with the cap dropping next year. I'd rather look at him when the Rags exercize their buyout on him in June
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 8 @ 1:32 PM ET
where's Ryan Parent when you need him???
- flyguy12

nursing his broken back after falling off of pronger's while he was carrying him
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 8 @ 1:33 PM ET
i have a feeling this will be a throw away season for us
too many injuries too many aging players/contracts
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 8 @ 1:35 PM ET
Calgary needs him. More likely that Stajan could be a buyout candidate.
- bradleyc4

I was thinking too that they could get a decent return for him in a trade rather than walk away with nothing.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jan 8 @ 1:35 PM ET
i have a feeling this will be a throw away season for us
too many injuries too many aging players/contracts

- 2Real



A tad early to make that claim I think.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 1:36 PM ET
True, there would be a "shallow" grave for Walker
- Jsaquella


Capgeek said the cap hit would be $800k if he were sent down.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jan 8 @ 1:37 PM ET

- Don'tForgetTocchet


Forwards with Couturier's skill set -- a young and already playoff-proven shutdown center with decent offensive upside to boot -- are very hard to come by. In fact, they are every bit as tough to find as young NHL defensemen who are already pretty good at the top level but could get significantly better in the near future. I would've been willing to see the Flyers part with Couturier-plus to land Weber; a true franchise defenseman in the prime of his career. Short of being the centerpiece for a deal for a franchise defenseman, Couturier should be untouchable.


It's a short year - unfortunately a throw away year. The stanley cup record books will have an "*" next to it....

I say we move Couturier to Defense for the year. It would solve the "no puck moving defenseman". Pair him up with a defensive-defenseman to clear the crease, and allow Coots to join the rush.

Just an idea... only half serious. We need Sami back... by the way, doesn't Shelley often play defense in practice.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 8 @ 1:38 PM ET
Capgeek said the cap hit would be $800k if he were sent down.
- bradleyc4


Almost $1mm in savings...I'm in
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 8 @ 1:38 PM ET
It's a short year - unfortunately a throw away year. The stanley cup record books will have an "*" next to it....

I say we move Couturier to Defense for the year. It would solve the "no puck moving defenseman". Pair him up with a defensive-defenseman to clear the crease, and allow Coots to join the rush.

Just an idea... only half serious. We need Sami back... by the way, doesn't Shelley often play defense in practice.

- leon neon


Funny, I didn't see any * next to the Devils in 1995.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 8 @ 1:39 PM ET
It's a short year - unfortunately a throw away year. The stanley cup record books will have an "*" next to it....

I say we move Couturier to Defense for the year. It would solve the "no puck moving defenseman". Pair him up with a defensive-defenseman to clear the crease, and allow Coots to join the rush.

Just an idea... only half serious. We need Sami back... by the way, doesn't Shelley often play defense in practice.

- leon neon


I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
KATG
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delaware County, PA
Joined: 09.23.2008

Jan 8 @ 1:44 PM ET
Not with the cap dropping next year. I'd rather look at him when the Rags exercize their buyout on him in June
- Jsaquella



That would be ideal, but we do need help this year. Also, say he is a UFA next summer, he would still easily have a cap hit of $2.5+, so it may be worth the exta 1 mill to have the needed help now. The X factor though is that I have no idea of the level he is at these days. He has always been a solid NHL Dman, just not worth a 6.5 hit.
KATG
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delaware County, PA
Joined: 09.23.2008

Jan 8 @ 1:44 PM ET
Not with the cap dropping next year. I'd rather look at him when the Rags exercize their buyout on him in June
- Jsaquella



That would be ideal, but we do need help this year. Also, say he is a UFA next summer, he would still easily have a cap hit of $2.5+, so it may be worth the exta 1 mill to have the needed help now. The X factor though is that I have no idea of the level he is at these days. He has always been a solid NHL Dman, just not worth a 6.5 hit.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jan 8 @ 1:47 PM ET
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
- NickTheKid87


Only half serious... you decide which half.

My point was, the options for adding any defenseman worthy of ice time is looking poor. Maybe try to convert a defensive forward into a defensiveman.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 8 @ 1:50 PM ET
That would be ideal, but we do need help this year. Also, say he is a UFA next summer, he would still easily have a cap hit of $2.5+, so it may be worth the exta 1 mill to have the needed help now. The X factor though is that I have no idea of the level he is at these days. He has always been a solid NHL Dman, just not worth a 6.5 hit.
- KATG


True, they do need the help right away...I'm a bit leery of the cap implications, but you're probably right of the $2.5mm or so hit next year, too
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jan 8 @ 1:50 PM ET
Only half serious... you decide which half.

My point was, the options for adding any defenseman worthy of ice time is looking poor. Maybe try to convert a defensive forward into a defensiveman.

- leon neon


I don't think that's as easy as it might seem. Plus, I'd rather not inhibit the growth of a guy like Couts. He's too good as a forward anyway. Shelley's too slow for defense and it's not that they need a defensemen, it's that they need a puck mover.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jan 8 @ 2:05 PM ET
A tad early to make that claim I think.
- canadianpenfan


Absolutely. And I'm too excited to see hockey again to start lining up on the Walt Whitman.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 8 @ 2:09 PM ET
Just for conversation purposes, any interest in Redden for 1/2 his cap hit? With teams allowed to absorb half of a cap hit in trade, and the Rangers having his full cap hit now, they may look to do what they can. Doubt it would happen, but Redden at a $3.25 cap hit for 2 years (I think)?
- KATG


was just going to suggest this only with t kaberle instead.

edit: not saying i'd do it. but something to talk about.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 8 @ 2:09 PM ET
God I love Pietrangelo....

Also, I just want to say that the moment I see a white Gameday jersey I'm gonna be ecstatic
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 8 @ 2:09 PM ET
I haven't seen him play in so long. I guess the question would be, can he still play to the level of a 3.25 mil guy or is he completely done?
- Hextall271



He's not done, but still not worth $3.25M these days.

Plus, could you imagine the fan reaction when he routinely deigns to play the body or turns the puck over with regularity? Matt Carle's time here would be a cakewalk by comparison.

Mayyyybbbeeeee after the Rangers bought him out and he came on a PTO. Other than that, hell no.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jan 8 @ 2:13 PM ET
I think we should go after Kaberle, to be honest.

Be the first team to use that "absorbing cap hit" rule in the new CBA a la the MLB.

He sure as hell wouldn't be that expensive, right?? Kind of a low risk thing for the puck mover we need at a good price, providing some of his salary gets eaten.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jan 8 @ 2:14 PM ET
Absolutely. And I'm too excited to see hockey again to start lining up on the Walt Whitman.
- funmaster18






Give it at least 5 games.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jan 8 @ 2:24 PM ET



Give it at least 5 games.

- canadianpenfan


If they start out 1-4, and Bryz has a save % less than .900, I'm jumping.
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