Kadri, Gardiner, Bozak and a 1st Luongo, Raymond, Pick........maybe toss in Frattin instead of wee Bozak and the Canucks might bite

I'm just glad you guys are finally admitting how awful the Leafs are.
I actually think that the fans being gluttons for punishment has hurt the team. If the Leafs were treated like any other business, they would be fired. Why would an owner want to spend millions more of his own dollars if he knew he would still make just as much money if he didn't? Why pay to upgrade your product if people still insist on paying top dollar for it no matter how terrible it is? It's the perfect scenario for an owner. If fans would have stopped spending their hard earned money then maybe ownership/management would actually take time and do things the right way instead of trying to "fast track the rebuild."
- woopstash

Worst arguement ever. Because teams lose money in the playoffs, right? That and the fact that there is a salary cap so their spending is limited.

You're also contradicting yourself by saying they didnt spend money because they didnt have to, then go on to say they fast track things by paying for veterans.

I miss the days when trolls came armed with a bazooka instead of cotton balls.

Kadri, Gardiner, Bozak and a 1st Luongo, Raymond, Pick........maybe toss in Frattin instead of wee Bozak and the Canucks might bite
- Komisaurus Rex

Subban, Galchenyuk, Plekanec and a 1st for LeCavalier. Maybe toss in Paciorrety instead of Plekanec and the Bolts might bite.

Worst arguement ever. Because teams lose money in the playoffs, right? That and the fact that there is a salary cap so their spending is limited.

You're also contradicting yourself by saying they didnt spend money because they didnt have to, then go on to say they fast track things by paying for veterans.

I miss the days when trolls came armed with a bazooka instead of cotton balls.
- Gunslinger

Not trolling, just giving my 2 cents. I really do think that if fans would have stopped paying top dollar to watch a losing team then things would have been different.

I'm just glad you guys are finally admitting how awful the Leafs are.
I actually think that the fans being gluttons for punishment has hurt the team. If the Leafs were treated like any other business, they would be fired. Why would an owner want to spend millions more of his own dollars if he knew he would still make just as much money if he didn't? Why pay to upgrade your product if people still insist on paying top dollar for it no matter how terrible it is? It's the perfect scenario for an owner. If fans would have stopped spending their hard earned money then maybe ownership/management would actually take time and do things the right way instead of trying to "fast track the rebuild."
- woopstash

Where do you see this happening?
Toronto is 10 years w/o a playoff berth, its slowly getting better, but far from fast tracking.

Not trolling, just giving my 2 cents. I really do think that if fans would have stopped paying top dollar to watch a losing team then things would have been different.
- woopstash

It would have made no difference. The fans didnt force the team to make boneheaded decisions. It wasnt a lack of effort by ownership. It was incompetence.

Subban, Galchenyuk, Plekanec and a 1st for LeCavalier. Maybe toss in Paciorrety instead of Plekanec and the Bolts might bite.
- Gunslinger

Tampa wouldnt do that you (frank)ing troll

Where do you see this happening?
Toronto is 10 years w/o a playoff berth, its slowly getting better, but far from fast tracking.
- sloppyseconds2

the only team not to make the playoffs during the entire last CBA

Where do you see this happening?
Toronto is 10 years w/o a playoff berth, its slowly getting better, but far from fast tracking.
- sloppyseconds2

It was Burke's idea, not mine!

Not trolling, just giving my 2 cents. I really do think that if fans would have stopped paying top dollar to watch a losing team then things would have been different.
- woopstash

Yup, things would be different alright. There would be less revenue to share with the small market teams.

That might be a good thing.

It would have made no difference. The fans didnt force the team to make boneheaded decisions. It wasnt a lack of effort by ownership. It was incompetence.
- Gunslinger

Maybe. I just compare their situation to other teams where they rebuild the right way. If there wasn't such pressure in Toronto then I wonder if Burkey makes the Kessel trade etc.

Tampa wouldnt do that you (frank)ing troll
- Komisaurus Rex

Probably not. Not enough french speaking players going their way. You're right.

It was Burke's idea, not mine!
- woopstash

It was never Burke's Idea for a quick rebuild, rather the exact opposite.

Maybe. I just compare their situation to other teams where they rebuild the right way. If there wasn't such pressure in Toronto then I wonder if Burkey makes the Kessel trade etc.
- woopstash

The media puts as much pressure on the team as the fans. And whats wrong with pressure? It just shows people care.

It wasnt the fans who refused a rebuild. Majority welcomed it.

Yup, things would be different alright. There would be less revenue to share with the small market teams.

That might be a good thing.
- sloppyseconds2

the leafs are like the rich kid that everyone hangs around but doesnt really like

Probably not. Not enough french speaking players going their way. You're right.
- Gunslinger

why would Tampa Bay of all places want french speaking players? you killed it

why would Tampa Bay of all places want french speaking players? you killed it
- Komisaurus Rex

Who doesnt want french speaking players. The Chinese cant keep up with the demand. I didnt kill it, I put it to bed.

It was never Burke's Idea for a quick rebuild, rather the exact opposite.
- sloppyseconds2

? I thought he was quoted as saying he was going to fast track a rebuild or something similar to that. Which is what he tried to do with the Kessel trade.

The media puts as much pressure on the team as the fans. And whats wrong with pressure? It just shows people care.

It wasnt the fans who refused a rebuild. Majority welcomed it.
- Gunslinger

I would prefer a full scale rebuild as a fan as well. I would be pissed if I were a Flames fan right now. You know they aren't going to win a Cup any time soon. They'll be a bubble playoff team at best. Why not get the rebuild started and trade Iginla, Kiprusoff etc.

It was never Burke's Idea for a quick rebuild, rather the exact opposite.
- sloppyseconds2

I call bullpoop, he said he could have it done in three years.

Who doesnt want french speaking players. The Chinese cant keep up with the demand. I didnt kill it, I put it to bed.
- Gunslinger

child slavery jokes are low blows

? I thought he was quoted as saying he was going to fast track a rebuild or something similar to that. Which is what he tried to do with the Kessel trade.
- woopstash

I think he tried to. Alot of it was miscalculation too though. What I mean by that is he believed that with Kessel, there wasnt much chance the team would be as bad as they ended up being. Massive error.

To his credit, since then, he done very little to sacrifice the future and most fans are thankful for that. In fact he has traded for 1sts and prospects in quantities never seen before in Toronto. Unfortunately, none of them have elite talent or potential, but kudos for the effort and the direction he has taken the last 2-3 years.

child slavery jokes are low blows
- Komisaurus Rex

Okay, now its been killed. Im not even going to bother pressing "start" to continue.

I would prefer a full scale rebuild as a fan as well. I would be pissed if I were a Flames fan right now. You know they aren't going to win a Cup any time soon. They'll be a bubble playoff team at best. Why not get the rebuild started and trade Iginla, Kiprusoff etc.
- woopstash

I really dont get what the Flames are doing either. My best guess is that they are going all in now before Iggy and Kipper retire or want out. Being reactive instead of proactive is a poor game plan.

Okay, now its been killed. Im not even going to bother pressing "start" to continue.
- Gunslinger[/quote

Thats probably for your own good you materialistic clown