ACQUIRE LUONGO BUYOUT BRYZGALOV

GIT IT DONE HOMER

Pretty much. But it's kind of unusual for a GM to be inquiring about a Goalie when you have one signed to a 9 year long term deal for 51M
- MJL

it's a strange time in the nhl

i guess i didn't read the article all that closely, but didn't it just say that holmer inquired about luongo? to me, that doesn't say a whole lot by itself. i'd be disappointed if he didn't even inquire, honestly
- FlyerMike18

I can't make any sense of it actually. The only way it makes sense is if Lou gets bought out, then we buy out Bryz and sign Lou. No way I would trade what Van is asking to get him and then use a buyout on Bryz. Basically weakens the forward corp and you waste a buyout. Apparently, van asked toronto for Kadri and Gardiner. Thats a ton.

you're talking about the guy who tried to sign shea weber til he was 86
- vancity787

86 year old Weber > 26 year old Carle

86 year old Weber > 26 year old Carle
- Daman

DUH MAN IS RIGHT

All of Redden's Cap hit isn't buried. They will have 5.6M on the Cap for Redden at a minimum. Unless they trade him.

Here is the formula for a player on a one way deal demoted to the minors.

Cap hit -
- MJL[NHL minimum salary + $375,000]

Minimum Salary for this Season is $525,000

Thanks, the formula makes more sense with the numbers.

I can't make any sense of it actually. The only way it makes sense is if Lou gets bought out, then we buy out Bryz and sign Lou. No way I would trade what Van is asking to get him and then use a buyout on Bryz. Basically weakens the forward corp and you waste a buyout. Apparently, van asked toronto for Kadri and Gardiner. Thats a ton.
- Hextall271

kadri sucks so meh

Thanks, the formula makes more sense with the numbers.
- jstross

Simplest way for this year is to just take 900K off of the Cap hit. So if the Flyers decide to waive Shelley and demote him. The Flyers are stuck with a 200K Cap hit for him. Which is peanuts.


This will get the peanut gallery going!

Simplest way for this year is to just take 900K off of the Cap hit. So if the Flyers decide to waive Shelley and demote him. The Flyers are stuck with a 200K Cap hit for him. Which is peanuts.


This will get the peanut gallery going!

- MJL

can't we do that with lilja and walker too plz

I can't make any sense of it actually. The only way it makes sense is if Lou gets bought out, then we buy out Bryz and sign Lou. No way I would trade what Van is asking to get him and then use a buyout on Bryz. Basically weakens the forward corp and you waste a buyout. Apparently, van asked toronto for Kadri and Gardiner. Thats a ton.
- Hextall271

only way you know what van is asking for is by talking to them, though. from all the article told us, that may be all that was going on

writers could be just as antsy as we are

Simplest way for this year is to just take 900K off of the Cap hit. So if the Flyers decide to waive Shelley and demote him. The Flyers are stuck with a 200K Cap hit for him. Which is peanuts.


This will get the peanut gallery going!

- MJL

LOL. Who do you obtain or move up to a top 13/14 forward? If they aren't going to use Shelley I'd take the 200K hit and get a better player.

The rumor for Luongo, as pitched by Adrian Dater, is that the Flyers are hot and heavy after Luongo.

The supposed asking price is Nik Grossmann. Seems strange, because looking at Vancouver's roster, Grossmann would be, at best, the Canucks 4th best defenseman.

Dater then goes on to say that, if the Flyers feel Grossmann is too high a price to pay, then the Canucks would want Brayden Schenn. So, yes, the reporter is saying that the veteran, defensive defenseman with the creaky knees would be more desireable than the 22 year old that projects as a first line center.

This completely ignores that the Flyers need defensemen, and trading Grossmann would run counter to that. It also ignores that the Flyers have Bryzgalov signed to a 9 year deal. It also seems to suggest the Flyers would be willing to trade a kid for a 32 year old Luongo that they were unwilling to consider moving for a 26 year old Shea Weber.

Making it more convoluted, Luongo is pretty much a lateral move from Bryzgalov. Both have colorful personalities. Both play better when they play a heavy workload. Both have had notable successes and failures in the playoffs & neither has won a Stanley Cup as a starter. Bryz might not be as good as Luongo, but he's got a shorter term contract and won;t cost any assets to acquire

The rumor for Luongo, as pitched by Adrian Dater, is that the Flyers are hot and heavy after Luongo.

The supposed asking price is Nik Grossmann. Seems strange, because looking at Vancouver's roster, Grossmann would be, at best, the Canucks 4th best defenseman.

Dater then goes on to say that, if the Flyers feel Grossmann is too high a price to pay, then the Canucks would want Brayden Schenn. So, yes, the reporter is saying that the veteran, defensive defenseman with the creaky knees would be more desireable than the 22 year old that projects as a first line center.

This completely ignores that the Flyers need defensemen, and trading Grossmann would run counter to that. It also ignores that the Flyers have Bryzgalov signed to a 9 year deal. It also seems to suggest the Flyers would be willing to trade a kid for a 32 year old Luongo that they were unwilling to consider moving for a 26 year old Shea Weber.

Making it more convoluted, Luongo is pretty much a lateral move from Bryzgalov. Both have colorful personalities. Both play better when they play a heavy workload. Both have had notable successes and failures in the playoffs & neither has won a Stanley Cup as a starter. Bryz might not be as good as Luongo, but he's got a shorter term contract and won;t cost any assets to acquire
- Jsaquella

Don't know who that reporter is, but if Holmgren did either of those deals I'd can him. Holmgren isn't that stupid.

Don't know who that reporter is, but if Holmgren did either of those deals I'd can him. Holmgren isn't that stupid.
- jstross

Plus the deal makes no sense on so many levels.

Can someone explain what this Luongo rule means for the FLyers? Will they eat Carter and Richards cap hits when they retire early?

Don't know who that reporter is, but if Holmgren did either of those deals I'd can him. Holmgren isn't that stupid.
- jstross

If I had a second deal to add a defenseman, I'd trade Grossmann for Lunogo in a heartbeat.

Can someone explain what this Luongo rule means for the FLyers? Will they eat Carter and Richards cap hits when they retire early?
- FrankDrebbin

per capgeek, any long term backdiving deal traded PRIOR to the new CBA will not fall under the new rules

The rumor for Luongo, as pitched by Adrian Dater, is that the Flyers are hot and heavy after Luongo.

The supposed asking price is Nik Grossmann. Seems strange, because looking at Vancouver's roster, Grossmann would be, at best, the Canucks 4th best defenseman.

Dater then goes on to say that, if the Flyers feel Grossmann is too high a price to pay, then the Canucks would want Brayden Schenn. So, yes, the reporter is saying that the veteran, defensive defenseman with the creaky knees would be more desireable than the 22 year old that projects as a first line center.

This completely ignores that the Flyers need defensemen, and trading Grossmann would run counter to that. It also ignores that the Flyers have Bryzgalov signed to a 9 year deal. It also seems to suggest the Flyers would be willing to trade a kid for a 32 year old Luongo that they were unwilling to consider moving for a 26 year old Shea Weber.

Making it more convoluted, Luongo is pretty much a lateral move from Bryzgalov. Both have colorful personalities. Both play better when they play a heavy workload. Both have had notable successes and failures in the playoffs & neither has won a Stanley Cup as a starter. Bryz might not be as good as Luongo, but he's got a shorter term contract and won;t cost any assets to acquire
- Jsaquella

Will blog this is in the morning, but here's the gist: First and foremost, I don't see any way, shape or form the Flyers have done anything more than kick tires about Luongo trade price. That would be simple due diligence.

That Grossmann/ B. Schenn scenario makes zero sense. "We'd like to add your no-frills defensive D-man who would be our fourth or fifth defenseman, but if that's too much... um, we'll settle for the highly-regarded young player who was the centerpiece of the Mike Richards trade."

At any rate, the ONLY way I could even remotely fathom the Flyers being involved in a Luongo trade would be if were one of those rare three-way-deal situations where the main pieces are Vancouver getting Brayden Schenn, Luongo ending up in Toronto via Philly, and the Flyers getting Jake Gardiner and Kadri (as was the rumored price tag earlier on Luongo).

No, I don't think that is going to happen or has even been seriously considered. Just saying that's the only way I could see a bit of logic to Flyers involvement.

If I had a second deal to add a defenseman, I'd trade Grossmann for Lunogo in a heartbeat.
- Jsaquella

You really want an 11 year contract that could cripple the organization down the road? I just don't have a handle on the new CBA yet. In Disney all week and only get to check in at night. If I'm GM I don't want any long term deal that could steal cap in case of early retirement.

Flyers have a young explosive offense and while not dismissing the present any deal would have to improve the future(one could obviously argue a Luongo deal does).

Don't know who that reporter is, but if Holmgren did either of those deals I'd can him. Holmgren isn't that stupid.
- jstross

Dater is the longtime Colorado Avalanche beat writer for the Denver Post. Has done some national work as well.

If anyone thinks Homer is going to deal Brayden Schenn, they're nuts.

He was off-limits in a deal for Shea freaking Weber.

Homer wants to be patient and see how this young core develops together. He wants to ADD pieces to the existing core without subtracting. He somewhat failed to do that over the summer, but he made several ambitious attempts. Regardless, I don't see him moving any of the kids IMO. Even guys like Simmonds, Read, etc.

Dater is the longtime Colorado Avalanche beat writer for the Denver Post. Has done some national work as well.
- bmeltzer

Do you think there is fire here were he sees smoke? Seems crazy to think Vancouver would have B. Schenn as plan B to Grossman in a deal for Luongo unless he mixed up the Schenn's.

If anyone thinks Homer is going to deal Brayden Schenn, they're nuts.

He was off-limits in a deal for Shea freaking Weber.

Homer wants to be patient and see how this young core develops together. He wants to ADD pieces to the existing core without subtracting. He somewhat failed to do that over the summer, but he made several ambitious attempts. Regardless, I don't see him moving any of the kids IMO. Even guys like Simmonds, Read, etc.
- LordStanley88

I agree 100%. The young core is what I see the Flyers moving forward with. Going to be very difficult to get younger and better on the D without subtracting from the core or via picks(tough year to trade picks with a deep draft).

Plus the deal makes no sense on so many levels.

- MBFlyerfan

makes perfect sense. homer's to-do list:

(1) trade b schenn to canucks for luongo
(2) amnesty both luongo and bryz june 2013
(c) quit flyers job and become gm of the maple leafs
(4) sign one of luongo or bryz

crystal clear

If anyone thinks Homer is going to deal Brayden Schenn, they're nuts.

He was off-limits in a deal for Shea freaking Weber.

Homer wants to be patient and see how this young core develops together. He wants to ADD pieces to the existing core without subtracting. He somewhat failed to do that over the summer, but he made several ambitious attempts. Regardless, I don't see him moving any of the kids IMO. Even guys like Simmonds, Read, etc.
- LordStanley88

I don't think Schenn was TRULY off-limits in a deal for Weber so much as that Poile stood firm that the Predators would only consider Schenn + Couturier + additional assets... and nothing less than that.

Schenn is a very nice young player whom I think will be an impact player in the near future as he develops more consistency and continues to find what works for him at the NHL level. But I don't see him as a player that is so rare to find that you wouldn't trade him under any circumstances.