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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 4:10 PM ET
Absolutely. Flyers pipeline is pretty much barren due to picks being thrown away for marginal players. I know the fanbase is growing impatient waiting for a Cup, hell I'm at the top of the List, but this team has to start building through the draft.
- PLindbergh31


The one thing this lockout did for me was focus on the CHL & just how deep this draft is & that's not even counting the top draft eligible players from Europe.

Very good time to get some depth.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 9 @ 4:11 PM ET
The one thing this lockout did for me was focus on the CHL & just how deep this draft is & that's not even counting the top draft eligible players from Europe.

Very good time to get some depth.

- ob18


Yup. As it stands right now the Flyers have a pick in every round in the 13' Draft correct?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 9 @ 4:11 PM ET
You guys keep talking about Burke. To me, it is as if the Cleveland Browns fired their GM. Much ado about nothing regarding a loser franchise.

What is more interesting, BTW, is the Nutrisystem chick on the upper right part of the screen. Does HB have targeted ads?

- Daman


Burke acquired many of the keystone parts of the current Vancouver Canucks teams that have been pretty successful and was the GM of the Anaheim team that won the Cup in 2007.

His credentials are such that his firing (while probably already coming because of new Maple Leaf ownership) is going to cause ripples because the guy has had some success in the league.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 4:12 PM ET
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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 4:13 PM ET
Now up is Bettman

wonderful he apologized
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 9 @ 4:15 PM ET
Burke acquired many of the keystone parts of the current Vancouver Canucks teams that have been pretty successful and was the GM of the Anaheim team that won the Cup in 2007.

His credentials are such that his firing (while probably already coming because of new Maple Leaf ownership) is going to cause ripples because the guy has had some success in the league.

- johndewar


I hope the last major transaction he made in Toronto doesn't turn out to be his best. I'm fearful it may.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 9 @ 4:16 PM ET
Absolutely. Flyers pipeline is pretty much barren due to picks being thrown away for marginal players. I know the fanbase is growing impatient waiting for a Cup, hell I'm at the top of the List, but this team has to start building through the draft.
- PLindbergh31

The Flyers have one of the youngest core groups in the entire NHL....

G, Voracek, Simmonds, Couts, SchennX2, MaB, Gusty, Wellwood, Rinaldo... These guys are ALL under 25.

G, Couts, MaB, Gusty, Wellwood, Rinaldo.. all our own picks. Add is Laughton, Ghost, Cousins...

Then we traded a few of our former picks, Jeff Carter, JvR, and Mike Richards, and we got: L&B Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek, Couts...

We dont have to be too worried about the pipeline, bec it really hasnt been as bad as ppl wanna make it out to have been.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 4:19 PM ET
Outreaches & efforts will be made to fans that are in "the works" from the league
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 9 @ 4:20 PM ET
The Flyers have one of the youngest core groups in the entire NHL....

G, Voracek, Simmonds, Couts, SchennX2, MaB, Gusty, Wellwood, Rinaldo... These guys are ALL under 25.

G, Couts, MaB, Gusty, Wellwood, Rinaldo.. all our own picks. Add is Laughton, Ghost, Cousins...

Then we traded a few of our former picks, Jeff Carter, JvR, and Mike Richards, and we got: L&B Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek, Couts...

We dont have to be too worried about the pipeline, bec it really hasnt been as bad as ppl wanna make it out to have been.

- jak521


I'm very concerned with the lack of young D-men. Other than Schenn, the Flyers don't have a guy 25 or under that is anything to write home about. This has to be addressed in the near future.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 9 @ 4:22 PM ET
I'm very concerned with the lack of young D-men. Other than Schenn, the Flyers don't have a guy 25 or under that is anything to write home about. This has to be addressed in the near future.
- PLindbergh31

I agree that it should be focused on, but that doesnt mean it can never be addressed. In about 2 years we are gonna have a surplus of forwards...

If Schenn, Couts, G, Voracek, Simmonds, etc all continue you are gonna be log jammed.. you could always move on of those guys.

I agree, though, that we should probably try to get a few decent d-picks in the next few drafts....
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 9 @ 4:22 PM ET
Outreaches & efforts will be made to fans that are in "the works" from the league
- ob18


He should have walked up to the podium and announced his resignation. That would have been a good start.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 9 @ 4:23 PM ET
I agree that it should be focused on, but that doesnt mean it can never be addressed. In about 2 years we are gonna have a surplus of forwards...

If Schenn, Couts, G, Voracek, Simmonds, etc all continue you are gonna be log jammed.. you could always move on of those guys.

- jak521


True. I'm hoping the Flyers can acquire a stud in free agency. I know that will be difficult, but it's more likely than one being drafted. Trade is probably the most likely scenario.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jan 9 @ 4:25 PM ET
Leddy projects to be a very good top 4 defenseman, maybe even a solid number 2 defenseman. That won't be cheap.

My guess is Read, Laughton & a good pick(1st or 2nd rounder)might be the ballpark

- Jsaquella


I'd do it if it's a 2nd round pick.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 9 @ 4:37 PM ET
The Flyers have one of the youngest core groups in the entire NHL....

G, Voracek, Simmonds, Couts, SchennX2, MaB, Gusty, Wellwood, Rinaldo... These guys are ALL under 25.

G, Couts, MaB, Gusty, Wellwood, Rinaldo.. all our own picks. Add is Laughton, Ghost, Cousins...

Then we traded a few of our former picks, Jeff Carter, JvR, and Mike Richards, and we got: L&B Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek, Couts...

We dont have to be too worried about the pipeline, bec it really hasnt been as bad as ppl wanna make it out to have been.

- jak521


That's great, except those guys will be due for raises and that's where you need the guys on ELC to make contributions.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 9 @ 4:56 PM ET
That's great, except those guys will be due for raises and that's where you need the guys on ELC to make contributions.
- steelydan

and we're cap screwed with deals like pronger and bryzgalov to start
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 9 @ 4:58 PM ET
and we're cap screwed with deals like pronger and bryzgalov to start
- 2Real


Yup. This is why Read will be traded mid-season. It will anger fans, but the front office will realize that we have offensive depth with a depleted backline. Pair that with the fact that Read will be due for a raise next year, and it will make sense to send him packing for some defensive help. The depressing part will be the fact that the return for him will likely be a 5th/6th d-man that is past his prime.

Such is life at the Flyers TDL.....
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 9 @ 5:03 PM ET
and we're cap screwed with deals like pronger and bryzgalov to start
- 2Real


don't worry. i just read a rumor on twitter that says the flyers are interested in luongo. that will fix everything.

carchidi says there's no truth. normally i would agree, but sam also said there are shootouts in the playoffs, so....

TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jan 9 @ 5:19 PM ET
Now up is Bettman

wonderful he apologized

- ob18

He had to read the apology off of a script. He had a chance to right a few wrongs and at least try to be human, speak from the heart. Nope
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 9 @ 5:26 PM ET
don't worry. i just read a rumor on twitter that says the flyers are interested in luongo. that will fix everything.

carchidi says there's no truth. normally i would agree, but sam also said there are shootouts in the playoffs, so....

- hammarby31

If Bryz and Bobby Lou get bought out at the end of the season I jump all over Luongo for the right deal.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 9 @ 5:33 PM ET
Yup. This is why Read will be traded mid-season. It will anger fans, but the front office will realize that we have offensive depth with a depleted backline. Pair that with the fact that Read will be due for a raise next year, and it will make sense to send him packing for some defensive help. The depressing part will be the fact that the return for him will likely be a 5th/6th d-man that is past his prime.

Such is life at the Flyers TDL.....

- steelydan

I'd think Read is that entry level bang-for-your-buck kind of player we'd want to hang onto rather than trade for pennies on the dollar, especially if we're looking to deal from the forward wealth to shore up the blueline.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 9 @ 5:41 PM ET
I'd think Read is that entry level bang-for-your-buck kind of player we'd want to hang onto rather than trade for pennies on the dollar, especially if we're looking to deal from the forward wealth to shore up the blueline.
- BulliesPhan87


They have a lot of options. They could very easily trade SImmonds or Voraceek before Read. They could trade picks. They haven't even started camp yet & people(not you) are jumping off bridges.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 5:46 PM ET
Yup. This is why Read will be traded mid-season. It will anger fans, but the front office will realize that we have offensive depth with a depleted backline. Pair that with the fact that Read will be due for a raise next year, and it will make sense to send him packing for some defensive help. The depressing part will be the fact that the return for him will likely be a 5th/6th d-man that is past his prime.

Such is life at the Flyers TDL.....

- steelydan


I have to look at history and see what the price of a 5/6 D man past his prime has been at the trade deadline. And it hasn't been a quality young player. The Flyers got Grossmann for a 2nd and a 3rd. And they got Kubina for a meager prospect in Kalinski and a 2nd. So the player you describe, can certainly be had cheaper then giving up Matt Read. If they trade Read for a defenseman, it better be for more then a 5/6 defenseman past his prime. We already have a surplus of that player.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 9 @ 5:48 PM ET
I have to look at history and see what the price of a 5/6 D man past his prime has been at the trade deadline. And it hasn't been a quality young player. The Flyers got Grossmann for a 2nd and a 3rd. And they got Kubina for a meager prospect in Kalinski and a 2nd. So the player you describe, can certainly be had cheaper then giving up Matt Read. If they trade Read for a defenseman, it better be for more then a 5/6 defenseman past his prime. We already have a surplus of that player.
- MJL

Steve Eminger cost us the 1st we got for RJ Umberger. Pick that scab.


Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 9 @ 5:55 PM ET
Steve Eminger cost us the 1st we got for RJ Umberger. Pick that scab.



- mayorofangrytown


Eminger wasn't a TDL deal
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 9 @ 6:01 PM ET
Eminger wasn't a TDL deal
- Jsaquella

So what?

edit: couldn't find the middle finger emoticon.
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