Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Player Conditioning; Luke Schenn; Luongo Rumor

Thanks Bill! Good Read!

Luongo for the Schenn bros

Also, would there be anything that made less sense than us being in on Luongo? C'mon.

Also, would there be anything that made less sense than us being in on Luongo? C'mon.
- Ferrarimn7

He's a clear upgrade; but with Bryz and his contract on the roster, it's not even worth discussing.

I'm sure Vancouver is just floating those rumors to try and increase Luongo's trade value. The Leafs are probably bidding against themselves here.

If Luongo stays in Vancouver this year, and Bryz struggles and both players are bought out at years end, I wouldn't be opposed to Luongo being brought in. Any way you slice it he's a better goaltender than Bryzgalov.

Looking forward to watching the start of Luke Schenn's Flyers career. And also the continued development of all the Flyers young players.

I always enjoy a realist

Looking forward to watching the start of Luke Schenn's Flyers career. And also the continued development of all the Flyers young players.
- MJL

I cant imagine why anyone would want to trade for lou when if the wait 7 months, tgey can sugn him at the vakue abd length they want after he gets bought out

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Player Conditioning; Luke Schenn; Luongo Rumor
- bmeltzer

I, for one, am ok with Luke Schenn. He was in a bad situation in Toronto and had ups and downs that were chronicled more closely than most 18 or 19 year old kids would have been. He's a natural fit to play with Kimmo Timonen, which would be an ideal pairing for him.

Timonen's all around ability would allow Schenn to play his game without being exposed with his partner's short comings like he was in Toronto. Kimmo could also help with his veteran leadership if & when Schenn gets into a rut.

I do share the opinion that the Flyers overpaid for his services, or at least could/should have gotten more for JvR. But if Schenn can be what Karl Alzner is in the next couple of years, he will be a nice piece of the Flyers puzzle.

I cant imagine why anyone would want to trade for lou when if the wait 7 months, tgey can sugn him at the vakue abd length they want after he gets bought out
- nails

I don' t think any team other than Toronto, (who is desperate for a goaltender) is willing to trade for Luongo.

I cant imagine why anyone would want to trade for lou when if the wait 7 months, tgey can sugn him at the vakue abd length they want after he gets bought out
- nails

What if he got traded to Toronto, and they didn't buy him out?

If you really want Luongo, and that happens, you are not getting him.

I, for one, am ok with Luke Schenn. He was in a bad situation in Toronto and had ups and downs that were chronicled more closely than most 18 or 19 year old kids would have been. He's a natural fit to play with Kimmo Timonen, which would be an ideal pairing for him.

Timonen's all around ability would allow Schenn to play his game without being exposed with his partner's short comings like he was in Toronto. Kimmo could also help with his veteran leadership if & when Schenn gets into a rut.

I do share the opinion that the Flyers overpaid for his services, or at least could/should have gotten more for JvR. But if Schenn can be what Karl Alzner is in the next couple of years, he will be a nice piece of the Flyers puzzle.
- Jsaquella

It's only an overpay if JVR reaches his potential and finds some consistency. Will that happen? Only time will tell.

What if he got traded to Toronto, and they didn't buy him out?

If you really want Luongo, and that happens, you are not getting him.
- Jsaquella

Thats fine. Let them have him at that cap hit and term.
If you are dealing assets this year, then upgrade the biggest weakness which is D.

I'm sure Vancouver is just floating those rumors to try and increase Luongo's trade value. The Leafs are probably bidding against themselves here.

If Luongo stays in Vancouver this year, and Bryz struggles and both players are bought out at years end, I wouldn't be opposed to Luongo being brought in. Any way you slice it he's a better goaltender than Bryzgalov.
- PLindbergh31

That's probably a factor. I did find it funny that neither of the two reporters really pushing the story are based in Philly or Vancouver. The funniest part was the asking price. Adrian Dater said that the Canucks wanted Grossmann, or if the Flyers were unwilling to part with a stay at home, one diminsional defensive defenseman, that they would want the Flyers young, two way forward who was the centerpiece of the deal for their team captain less than two years before.

I don;t doubt the Flyers kicked the tires. I doubt that they were going hard at Luongo, as Dater said.

It's only an overpay if JVR reaches his potential and finds some consistency. Will that happen? Only time will tell.
- PLindbergh31

I feel that JvR could have gotten more than Schenn at the time of the trade, at least another pick or a prospect. Not saying JvR could have been traded for Subban or Weber, but I think he had more value than Luke Schenn.

Luongo for the Schenn bros
- vancity787

Bryz for luongo...is the only way i do that deal....

Thats fine. Let them have him at that cap hit and term.
If you are dealing assets this year, then upgrade the biggest weakness which is D.
- nails

I agree with you, just playing Devil's advocate. Adding a goalie would be the last thing I'd consider right now. Bryzgalov is signed and is a good goalie. In the summer, there are a few good goalies that are scheduled to be UFA and possibly some that will be among the amnesty buyouts.

I agree that Luongo is an upgrade on Bryz, but he has similar questions surrounding him: looked at as something of a head case, perceived as being a playoff flop & the big contracts that run for nearly a decade more.

hopefully schenn can bring some nastyness to that blue line that has been missing since pronger got injured.

I feel that JvR could have gotten more than Schenn at the time of the trade, at least another pick or a prospect. Not saying JvR could have been traded for Subban or Weber, but I think he had more value than Luke Schenn.
- Jsaquella

If you base that on potential then yes....if you base it on what hes done so far than no....

I feel that JvR could have gotten more than Schenn at the time of the trade, at least another pick or a prospect. Not saying JvR could have been traded for Subban or Weber, but I think he had more value than Luke Schenn.
- Jsaquella

Perhaps. But he was coming off an injury plagued season where his value was probably at an all time low. I was disappointed at the return at first, but that's being somewhat shortsighted. Got to give Schenn a chance. And by a chance I mean a couple of years, not 20 games.

He's a clear upgrade; but with Bryz and his contract on the roster, it's not even worth discussing.
- bradleyc4

What if the trade was Luongo for Bryz. As you said, Luongo is a clear upgrade (Flyers could balance with a pick/s). And, you might ask what's in it for Van... Purely money. For 2013 - Luongo is going into his 3 year of 12 year contract (~45M left to pay at 5.6M cap hit), and Bryz is starting his 2nd year of 9 (~31M left to pay at 5.3M cap hit). These are real rough numbers, but Van makes about $13M. Comcast/Flyers can absorb that hit, not sure if Van owners are rich or poor...

Bryz for luongo...is the only way i do that deal....
- Philly1980

Vancouver is going with Schneider. It makes zero sense for them to have a backup making 5+ million.

If you base that on potential then yes....if you base it on what hes done so far than no....
- Philly1980

How else do you base the value of a 22 year old kid? How he projects is a huge part of his value. Both Schenn & JvR have developed with fits and starts. The ceiling for JvR is likely higher than the ceiling for Luke Schenn.