Quick...who would everyone rather have Kadri or BSchenn?
I know people are quick to point out that Kadri is already labelled a bust...but, thought I would ask.
- BoBBeR56

One for you would you rather have an arm or a leg cut off but you have to pick one..

...is this a serious question?
- Leafs43

Yah...why not? Kadri is labeled a bust...and BSchenn is labeled as an upcoming star in the league...yet Kadri has 19pts in 51 NHL games and BSchenn has 20pts in 63 NHL gamaes on a better team, playing with better players...

One for you would you rather have an arm or a leg cut off but you have to pick one..
- Jon_Parisian

Do I get my choice of which arm? Cause it would definitely be arm over leg.

Do I get my choice of which arm? Cause it would definitely be arm over leg.
- BoBBeR56

What if it was your masturbating arm?

What if it was your masturbating arm?
- Lahey

You could keep the arm and give yourself a stranger.

What if it was your masturbating arm?
- Lahey

Good thing my wife likes getting a workout that way...
Plus if you use your other, it feels like someone else...

Good thing my wife likes getting a workout that way...
Plus if you use your other, it feels like someone else...
- BoBBeR56

Lol all jokes aside I'd still take Schenn he hasn't got the the top 6 minutes that kadri has gotten in the past but if he doesn't break out like he is supposed too then he too will be considered a flop. I wouldn't call Kadri a bust he will be a serviceable nhler on day but the fact of where he was drafted he's been a big disappointment thus far.

One for you would you rather have an arm or a leg cut off but you have to pick one..
- Jon_Parisian

Leg, all day long. They're doing great things with prosthetics these days.

Lol all jokes aside I'd still take Schenn he hasn't got the the top 6 minutes that kadri has gotten in the past but if he doesn't break out like he is supposed too then he too will be considered a flop. I wouldn't call Kadri a bust he will be a serviceable nhler on day but the fact of where he was drafted he's been a big disappointment thus far.
- Jon_Parisian

Kadri was drafted the same year, and 2 spots behind BSchenn...it just makes me laugh that most people are quick to call Kadri a bust and say he is useless and carries no trade value, but in the next sentence would say BSchenn would be a centrepiece in a Flyers deal for Weber.

Leg, all day long. They're doing great things with prosthetics these days.
- Jeffmt

True...I could run the 200m in the Olympics (if only I lost 40lbs, lol)

Yah...why not? Kadri is labeled a bust...and BSchenn is labeled as an upcoming star in the league...yet Kadri has 19pts in 51 NHL games and BSchenn has 20pts in 63 NHL gamaes on a better team, playing with better players...
- BoBBeR56

not sure why this is in an oiler blog, but oh well.....

i think it's important, when comparing these 2, to understand the role they're expected to play. Kadri was drafted for, and expected to come in and be a point producing top line center. the toronto media, and the leafs organization pumped this guy up SOOOOOOO MUCH, that anything less than being an allstar is going to be considered a bust. it's also important to note that while their point totals are similar, schenn is MUCH more of a complete player. kadri is a turnover machine, doesn't play physical, doesn't play defense. he's an offense or bust type of guy. schenn, while he doesn't put up big numbers, is pretty solid in all 3 zones. it's also important to note that while he plays on a better team, with better players, a majority of his 60 some odd games have been played on the 3rd and 4th lines, and he gets little to no PP time. i'm pretty sure that when kadri was called up, he spent a lot of his time in the top 6, and did get some PP time. maybe not all the time in the top six, but he was certainly given chances.

I think at this point, schenn is a much more complete player, and the fact that the expectations and pressure were never as high on him, it's easy to understand why he isn't viewed as a bust

Kadri was drafted the same year, and 2 spots behind BSchenn...it just makes me laugh that most people are quick to call Kadri a bust and say he is useless and carries no trade value, but in the next sentence would say BSchenn would be a centrepiece in a Flyers deal for Weber.
- BoBBeR56

I'm aware but Kadri has been tossed into a team that needs players and needs them now both teams Schenn played for the Kings & Flyers have great forward depth so he isn't rushed into preforming i'd say this you flip teams with kadri and schenn and We'd be talking about how Brayden was rushed and is a bum and how this Nazim kid looks to be the next great Center.

Kadri was drafted the same year, and 2 spots behind BSchenn...it just makes me laugh that most people are quick to call Kadri a bust and say he is useless and carries no trade value, but in the next sentence would say BSchenn would be a centrepiece in a Flyers deal for Weber.
- BoBBeR56

little bit of an exaggeration there. kadri obviously has value, but probably not as much value as leaf fans think. I obviously have to link to back this up, but i remember going into last season, some leaf fans were saying that kadri plus a pick was a fair trade to get spezza. THAT is why kadri is considred a bust, becuase he is SO overvalued by fans and previous management, he just can't live up to that much hype.

not sure why this is in an oiler blog, but oh well.....

i think it's important, when comparing these 2, to understand the role they're expected to play. Kadri was drafted for, and expected to come in and be a point producing top line center. the toronto media, and the leafs organization pumped this guy up SOOOOOOO MUCH, that anything less than being an allstar is going to be considered a bust. it's also important to note that while their point totals are similar, schenn is MUCH more of a complete player. kadri is a turnover machine, doesn't play physical, doesn't play defense. he's an offense or bust type of guy. schenn, while he doesn't put up big numbers, is pretty solid in all 3 zones. it's also important to note that while he plays on a better team, with better players, a majority of his 60 some odd games have been played on the 3rd and 4th lines, and he gets little to no PP time. i'm pretty sure that when kadri was called up, he spent a lot of his time in the top 6, and did get some PP time. maybe not all the time in the top six, but he was certainly given chances.

I think at this point, schenn is a much more complete player, and the fact that the expectations and pressure were never as high on him, it's easy to understand why he isn't viewed as a bust
- sensarmy_11

And It's Better Than Talking About Redden or Gomez to the Oilers

Obviously the best deal Nsh. could get would be Horcoff to play as their 1st line center, Sutton who is basically Weber, Alex Plante who is top 3 prospects in the world and a 4th and 7th round draft pick. Edmonton is getting fleeced in this deal but you have to give up talent to get talent.

not sure why this is in an oiler blog, but oh well.....

i think it's important, when comparing these 2, to understand the role they're expected to play. Kadri was drafted for, and expected to come in and be a point producing top line center. the toronto media, and the leafs organization pumped this guy up SOOOOOOO MUCH, that anything less than being an allstar is going to be considered a bust. it's also important to note that while their point totals are similar, schenn is MUCH more of a complete player. kadri is a turnover machine, doesn't play physical, doesn't play defense. he's an offense or bust type of guy. schenn, while he doesn't put up big numbers, is pretty solid in all 3 zones. it's also important to note that while he plays on a better team, with better players, a majority of his 60 some odd games have been played on the 3rd and 4th lines, and he gets little to no PP time. i'm pretty sure that when kadri was called up, he spent a lot of his time in the top 6, and did get some PP time. maybe not all the time in the top six, but he was certainly given chances.

I think at this point, schenn is a much more complete player, and the fact that the expectations and pressure were never as high on him, it's easy to understand why he isn't viewed as a bust
- sensarmy_11

Its here cause Cloutier was calling Kadri a bust all day yesterday and wanted some other opinions.
Kadri doesn't and hasn't played top6 mins with the Leafs...the top two lines have been pretty consistant the last couple years consisting of Kessel, Lupul, Bozak, Mac, Grabs, and Kuli/Connolly...
I agree that the TO media hyped this kid up a lot...he is starting to make waves now, and is producing at almost a PPG in the AHL.
He has never been the 3zone guy like you said, more of the flashy offensive guy...I guess my point is that everyone seems to write him off already, but a guy in the same draft class drafted ahead of him, who has performed less offensively than Kadri is still being dupped as a big deal...

little bit of an exaggeration there. kadri obviously has value, but probably not as much value as leaf fans think. I obviously have to link to back this up, but i remember going into last season, some leaf fans were saying that kadri plus a pick was a fair trade to get spezza. THAT is why kadri is considred a bust, becuase he is SO overvalued by fans and previous management, he just can't live up to that much hype.
- sensarmy_11

Well obviously that wouldn't get you Spezza, but I think that is because a lot of Leaf fans are clueless and overvalue their players.
For example, this Luongo talk...Van fans are saying that Bozak, Kadri and a pick may not get the deal done, but BSchenn straight up may...

And It's Better Than Talking About Redden or Gomez to the Oilers
- Jon_Parisian

ha ha...yep...it would be ridiculous for the Oilers to even consider either.

Both JSchultz and Klefbom could go either way: Could turn into stars, or could flop.
- Cloutier

ha ha...yep...it would be ridiculous for the Oilers to even consider either.
- BoBBeR56

Yet some want to buyout Horcoff and move Belanger, leaving Lander and VV as our options. I'd take Gomez.

I think the Oilers should sign Redden to a 1-year deal, then trade him, a 2nd, and a 5th to Nashville to help them with their Shea Weber problem.

Its here cause Cloutier was calling Kadri a bust all day yesterday and wanted some other opinions.
Kadri doesn't and hasn't played top6 mins with the Leafs...the top two lines have been pretty consistant the last couple years consisting of Kessel, Lupul, Bozak, Mac, Grabs, and Kuli/Connolly...
I agree that the TO media hyped this kid up a lot...he is starting to make waves now, and is producing at almost a PPG in the AHL.
He has never been the 3zone guy like you said, more of the flashy offensive guy...I guess my point is that everyone seems to write him off already, but a guy in the same draft class drafted ahead of him, who has performed less offensively than Kadri is still being dupped as a big deal...
- BoBBeR56

In clout's defence look at how Toronto fans view Gagner say he's crap and worth nothing.. then compare the two there is only a year and change difference in age but look at there career numbers.

Yet some want to buyout Horcoff and move Belanger, leaving Lander and VV as our options. I'd take Gomez.
- Lahey

Buyout Horcoff keep Belanger Find a 3rd line center hows that sound?

Well obviously that wouldn't get you Spezza, but I think that is because a lot of Leaf fans are clueless and overvalue their players.
For example, this Luongo talk...Van fans are saying that Bozak, Kadri and a pick may not get the deal done, but BSchenn straight up may...
- BoBBeR56

and that, IMO, is exactly why kadri is considered a bust. since coming into the league, toronto fans, leafs organization, and toronto media, have been talking about this kid like he was going to be a multiple hart and art ross trophy winner (and that's not an exaggeration). so if he wasn't a cup winning league MVP by the time he was 22, obviously he was gonna be a bust. I think other fans talk trash about him because they/we had to endure 2-3 yeras of leaf fans throwing him in our faces as the "next big thing". the expectations on schenn were never even close to what was expected of kadri, and like i said, he's a different type of player.

i think most knowledgeable fans realize that kadri is still young, and will likely develop into a solid 2nd player. he does have value, and he is a good player, but i think it's pretty clear that he's unlikely to develop into the type of player that some leaf fans still think he's gonna be, which is a high end top line player.

I'm surprised you haven't been talking about Jamie Benn. Dallas is having a hard time resigning him and he would look great centering our second line.
- Tony Montana

IMO, the Oilers should be worried about getting defense and goalie help, then more offenseive fire power.

They seem to have a good solid young forward group that should be scary when they start to come into their own.


Edit: I'm being too nice. You suck, go to hell, jerk faces.