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saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

Jan 17 @ 1:51 PM ET
@TSNRyanRishaug: Danis coming up. Van de velde tuebert fedun assigned
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:57 PM ET
I don't want to just rip your Weber deal because I think it has merit.

You suggest that such a trade would allow Nashville to go full rebuild. Which they have done once in the past when Weber and Suter were coming up.

Why that would be incorrect is they are actually starting to pay some players to stick around. They invested a lot in their goaltender.

The other problem is you have had to notice that Nashville are shrewd talent evaluators. They have mostly received later first rounders but they rarely miss. They have depth. Many people think oh man they lost Suter. But they have a bunch of young dmen any of whom could step up in that position and become nearly if not as good as Suter.

So I would have to ask besides the salary constraint in that area of the world why they would want to trade the face of their franchise? They would have to be pretty impressed by an offer.

I will say this I believe it is likely you see Suter traded this off season. My bet is that Nashville will look somewhere out east where they can stick it to Philly.

As a GM you don't want to trade someone that shows up to your building often and makes fans think of what could have been. With Weber the Oilers would become contenders out of the same conference. How would that play out with the fans in Nashville to see Weber raising the Cup?

So in conference there would be a premium and even more so in division and believe me the Red Wings would surely consider after they fail to make the play offs this season.

The Red WIngs will have injuries to their forwards this season. One wonders who an older European of small size will deal with a crushing hit when he instinctively goes to an area that would allow for more time in Europe and is crushed?

All I am saying is Nashville would want more than a couple of first rounders and a solid defensive prospect. You said it yourself it is tough to see how many young players pan out let alone dmen who often take longer to develop. All I have say is Erik Johnson. Erik Johnson who should pose as a stern warning for teams looking at Seth Jones who shows much of the same flair, size and ability.

I would guess something like Teemu Hartikainen along with two first rounders and a second and a third. On top of Oscar. Of course that would depend also on how good or bad the Oilers do this season.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 17 @ 1:58 PM ET
yann danis up

Byers, Plante, House on waivers with intention of being sent to OKC

Teubet, Fedun, VV to AHL

Corky's wife due any minute
eoil90
Edmonton Oilers
Location: richmond, BC
Joined: 08.27.2012

Jan 17 @ 2:09 PM ET
leland irving been place on waiver by flames i say pick him up....... alberta product why not??
doon
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Spruce Grove, AB
Joined: 08.27.2008

Jan 17 @ 2:11 PM ET
leland irving been place on waiver by flames i say pick him up....... alberta product why not??
- eoil90

He would never play, waste of a spot IMO.
eoil90
Edmonton Oilers
Location: richmond, BC
Joined: 08.27.2012

Jan 17 @ 2:17 PM ET
He would never play, waste of a spot IMO.
- doon

well refer to richard on signing fa was disaterous why not try pick from waiver line just my 2 cent lol
Jack-artist
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Yakapoo is khl bound. After t, AB
Joined: 01.27.2010

Jan 17 @ 2:22 PM ET
I don't want to just rip your Weber deal because I think it has merit.

You suggest that such a trade would allow Nashville to go full rebuild. Which they have done once in the past when Weber and Suter were coming up.

Why that would be incorrect is they are actually starting to pay some players to stick around. They invested a lot in their goaltender.

The other problem is you have had to notice that Nashville are shrewd talent evaluators. They have mostly received later first rounders but they rarely miss. They have depth. Many people think oh man they lost Suter. But they have a bunch of young dmen any of whom could step up in that position and become nearly if not as good as Suter.

So I would have to ask besides the salary constraint in that area of the world why they would want to trade the face of their franchise? They would have to be pretty impressed by an offer.

I will say this I believe it is likely you see Suter traded this off season. My bet is that Nashville will look somewhere out east where they can stick it to Philly.

As a GM you don't want to trade someone that shows up to your building often and makes fans think of what could have been. With Weber the Oilers would become contenders out of the same conference. How would that play out with the fans in Nashville to see Weber raising the Cup?

So in conference there would be a premium and even more so in division and believe me the Red Wings would surely consider after they fail to make the play offs this season.

The Red WIngs will have injuries to their forwards this season. One wonders who an older European of small size will deal with a crushing hit when he instinctively goes to an area that would allow for more time in Europe and is crushed?

All I am saying is Nashville would want more than a couple of first rounders and a solid defensive prospect. You said it yourself it is tough to see how many young players pan out let alone dmen who often take longer to develop. All I have say is Erik Johnson. Erik Johnson who should pose as a stern warning for teams looking at Seth Jones who shows much of the same flair, size and ability.

I would guess something like Teemu Hartikainen along with two first rounders and a second and a third. On top of Oscar. Of course that would depend also on how good or bad the Oilers do this season.

- BluemanGuruu

A valid cause for concern but what about how they think the game? Not to say an unproven Jones is all that much smarter than Ej is/was, but was that a strength of Johnson's game back around when he was drafted? In Seth Jones' case, based on personal viewings and what the scouts say, his smarts appear to be a huge part of his game. I'm not sure the Johnson pick gets picked on as much if say, he goes a couple spots lower. He goes number one and it seems the expectations are amplified.
Skatchy2002
Edmonton Oilers
Location: SK
Joined: 01.17.2013

Jan 17 @ 3:11 PM ET
Hi Richard, new to the commenting end of things but have been reading your blogs for quite some time (love your sarcastic way too). I think the point you miss on Redden, it's the amount of his contract not the player himself. He was buried due to the high contract not his ability to play. His offensive numbers were not the same as in Ottawa, but his last year playing for the Rangers he was still a +8. I still believe he is a great 5/6 defense man at 1-1.5. Having said all that I totally agree that he doesn't fit in Edmonton.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 17 @ 3:20 PM ET
Let's weasel getzlaf outta Anaheim
- Snagglepuss

Eff yeah. Be a comPletely different team with this guy as 1/2 center
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jan 17 @ 3:25 PM ET
@TSNRyanRishaug: Danis coming up. Van de velde tuebert fedun assigned
- saskoil21


What's wrong with Rehab? Other than him sucking at being a goaltender...
eoil90
Edmonton Oilers
Location: richmond, BC
Joined: 08.27.2012

Jan 17 @ 3:29 PM ET
Eff yeah. Be a comPletely different team with this guy as 1/2 center
- hugefemale dog77

well if we can buy out horcoff and lock nuge we should....
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 17 @ 3:36 PM ET
What's wrong with Rehab? Other than him sucking at being a goaltender...
- laughs2907

Didn't wait long enough to start (frank)ing after hip surgery.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 17 @ 3:42 PM ET
DEAR ABBY:
Our son was married in January. Five months later his wife had a ten-pound baby girl. They said the baby was premature. Tell me, can a baby this big be that early?
WONDERING

DEAR WONDERING: The baby was on time, the wedding was late.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jan 17 @ 3:42 PM ET
Didn't wait long enough to start (frank)ing after hip surgery.
- Lahey


Did Rehab injure Peckham?
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jan 17 @ 3:49 PM ET
Would Adam Pardy be a good pick up on waivers
- andymaury


NO
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 17 @ 3:54 PM ET
Did Rehab injure Peckham?
- laughs2907

Who cares, peckham is horrible, just be glad it happened.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jan 17 @ 3:57 PM ET
Who cares, peckham is horrible, just be glad it happened.
- ruttager17


He certainly is. He shouldn't even be in the NHL.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 17 @ 3:59 PM ET
He certainly is. He shouldn't even be in the NHL.
- laughs2907

Now just to rid the team of a few more plugs and they should be playoff bound.
Oh and trade for Shea Weber, cause apparently, that's happening.
zontar
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 11.09.2011

Jan 17 @ 4:03 PM ET
He certainly is. He shouldn't even be in the NHL.
- laughs2907


Peckham is a useless plug
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jan 17 @ 4:11 PM ET
Now just to rid the team of a few more plugs and they should be playoff bound.
Oh and trade for Shea Weber, cause apparently, that's happening.

- ruttager17


Peckham + a 7th rounder for Shea Weber
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Jan 17 @ 4:11 PM ET
Peckham is a useless plug
- zontar


He should be in the AHL... That's about it.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 17 @ 4:46 PM ET
Peckham + a 7th rounder for Shea Weber
- laughs2907

That will be Clout's next rumor, except will be that for one of the big 3 from the Ducks.
zontar
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 11.09.2011

Jan 17 @ 5:05 PM ET
He should be in the AHL... That's about it.
- laughs2907


He would fit in with the Kings, they love fat guys (Penner & Doughty)
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 17 @ 5:14 PM ET
He would fit in with the Kings, they love fat guys (Penner & Doughty)
- zontar

Matt Barry
Salvo
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.13.2009

Jan 17 @ 7:20 PM ET
Most outsiders keep spouting about Edmonton needing D and Goaltending. Oil fans know that what we have is great. The Oilers problem hasnt necessarily been Defense. Its been Puck Moving. We had Whitney out and no one else that could move the puck. We'd get bottled up in our own zone and take a penalty or give up additional chances. Petry has improved immensely in that category, J Schultz looks like a great puck mover and Whitney is now healthy. We have Smid, N Schultz and Fistric shut down guys. I think this group is looking great right now and will surprise many this year.
- Iggysbff


I hear ya but not exactly - thing is, smaller forwards as well and some overall puck retrieval deficiencies whether that is toughness all around or overall savvy - the Oilers have trouble getting the puck in order to make the smooth outlet.

But ya, with better and more experienced puck movers, I hope to see better overall advancement out of the D-zone.
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