ok for our cap specialists here.....if Schenn's cap hit is $3,110,000 but his bonus is $2,255,000, what is his actual cap hit if there is a bonus cushion?
- nastyflyergirl

His actual Cap hit is $3,110,000 until it is shown that his bonuses won't be met.

in hindsight, to trade richards/carter and not get a dman out of it is a fail. when you are making a major course correction, you have to address a pressing need. w/ pronger and kimmo at that point....
- isaiah520

I disagree. They ended up getting 4 very solid, young NHLers with loads of potential. When the Flyers made that trade, they had a very deep top six, despite the ages of Pronger and Timonen.

So while it is possible they could have gotten a young, prospect defenseman there was no spot for a NHL ready defenseman. Granted, they could have taken Dougie Hamilton at the draft, and I feel they would have if Couturier hadn't dropped to 8th.

But we ended up with the HOFer that is Steve Eminger.
- jmatchett

Love FHOFSE.

His actual Cap hit is $3,110,000 until it is shown that his bonuses won't be met.
- MJL

However, with the bonus cushion, those can be deferred, correct?

Markstrom and Hamilton would have been nice....oh well
- vejim

The problem with drafting d-men is that it usually take 4-5 years for them to really become quality NHL d-men. A ton can happen in that time. I personally would like to see them draft a few in the upcoming draft, but that doesnt mean we will see help in the next few seasons.

I disagree. They ended up getting 4 very solid, young NHLers with loads of potential. When the Flyers made that trade, they had a very deep top six, despite the ages of Pronger and Timonen.

So while it is possible they could have gotten a young, prospect defenseman there was no spot for a NHL ready defenseman. Granted, they could have taken Dougie Hamilton at the draft, and I feel they would have if Couturier hadn't dropped to 8th.
- Jsaquella

Also, they did get a d-man because of that trade.. the 2nd rd pick was used to get Grossmann

The problem with drafting d-men is that it usually take 4-5 years for them to really become quality NHL d-men. A ton can happen in that time. I personally would like to see them draft a few in the upcoming draft, but that doesnt mean we will see help in the next few seasons.
- jak521

I'm still of the mind that you draft the best player on your board. There's things called trades in the NHL, you can use them to address areas of weakness on your team.

Also, they did get a d-man because of that trade.. the 2nd rd pick was used to get Grossmann
- jak521

There's the other issue-when they do trade for a defenseman, the trade gets shredded(see Schenn, Luke)

I'm still of the mind that you draft the best player on your board. There's things called trades in the NHL, you can use them to address areas of weakness on your team.
- Jsaquella

Im right there with you, but really only for the 1st rd, maybe low second.. After that I think you should look at best available in a position of need

The problem with drafting d-men is that it usually take 4-5 years for them to really become quality NHL d-men. A ton can happen in that time. I personally would like to see them draft a few in the upcoming draft, but that doesnt mean we will see help in the next few seasons.
- jak521

the flyers organization has always put more emphasis on the center position and like to sign big slow D men from other organizations....a Bob Clarke legacy

There's the other issue-when they do trade for a defenseman, the trade gets shredded(see Schenn, Luke)
- Jsaquella

Glass is never half empty.. its (frank)ing shattered

His actual Cap hit is $3,110,000 until it is shown that his bonuses won't be met.
- MJL

So to start the season his hit is 3,110,000 and if he doesn't hit the bonuses it is reduced? so confusing. seems to me if they bonuses count against the cap, they are over the cap (Including the hurt players Pronger, Walker and Bourdon)

The problem with drafting d-men is that it usually take 4-5 years for them to really become quality NHL d-men. A ton can happen in that time. I personally would like to see them draft a few in the upcoming draft, but that doesnt mean we will see help in the next few seasons.
- jak521

As much as I would also like to see some dmen taken in earlier rounds, the Flyers have drafted well at the forward position and they also know that they will be able to lure and sign certain free agents to fill out the roster. Basically, they don't need to be as good as drafting as the smaller markets. It can be a blessing and a curse in a way.

the flyers organization has always put more emphasis on the center position and like to sign big slow D men from other organizations....a Bob Clarke legacy
- vejim

Lets look at the past 10 defensive acquisitions the Flyers have made and then make that comment.

As much as I would also like to see some dmen taken in earlier rounds, the Flyers have drafted well at the forward position and they also know that they will be able to lure and sign certain free agents to fill out the roster. Basically, they don't need to be as good as drafting as the smaller markets. It can be a blessing and a curse in a way.
- NickTheKid87

No matter what they do ppl will be unhappy.

Dougie Hamilton was on the board and Couts was on the board.. had they selected Hamilton and watched Boston take Couts, they would be flipping poop right now.

But I completely agree with you.

No matter what they do ppl will be unhappy.

Dougie Hamilton was on the board and Couts was on the board.. had they selected Hamilton and watched Boston take Couts, they would be flipping poop right now.

But I completely agree with you.
- jak521

You're 100% correct. The plight of Philadelphia is that no one is ever happy about anything. One of the few exceptions would have to be Claude Giroux. Although that may have turned out to be a diasaster as well had Trevor Lewis and/or Bobby Sanguinetti been on the board at the time.

If you want to be Da Man, you got to beat Da Man.

Tomorrow will be a WHITE GAMEDAY JERSEY

No matter what they do ppl will be unhappy.

Dougie Hamilton was on the board and Couts was on the board.. had they selected Hamilton and watched Boston take Couts, they would be flipping poop right now.

But I completely agree with you.
- jak521

That's the other issue. Defensemen generally take longer to develop than forwards. Look at how some folks rode JvR or Carter for their "slow" development. Think that they would have patience for a guy like Chara, who had a lot of ups and downs in New York, before being traded to Ottawa?

The problem with drafting d-men is that it usually take 4-5 years for them to really become quality NHL d-men. A ton can happen in that time. I personally would like to see them draft a few in the upcoming draft, but that doesnt mean we will see help in the next few seasons.
- jak521

Bingo. In short, drafting defensemen is a long term solution to a problem that's both short and long term. I'd like to see them develop 'that' defenseman, but it won't help us in the right now, and right now I'd like to see a Flyers team that has both Claude Giroux and a #1 defenseman.

Tomorrow will be a WHITE GAMEDAY JERSEY
- Giroux_Is_God

Won't that be refreshing!

That's the other issue. Defensemen generally take longer to develop than forwards. Look at how some folks rode JvR or Carter for their "slow" development. Think that they would have patience for a guy like Chara, who had a lot of ups and downs in New York, before being traded to Ottawa?
- Jsaquella

One of the reasons I think Claude Giroux grew into a superstar was because he was virtually an unknown when he was drafted and expectations weren't particularly lofty compared to a guy like JVR. Giroux was able to develop without the scrutiny of the fans and media and I believe this was HUGE for him. He's also beloved because he exceeded everyone's expectations of the player he'd be.

However, with the bonus cushion, those can be deferred, correct?
- Jsaquella

In practical purposes, basically yes. The Flyers can use the Bonus cushion to get more Cap space. But technically, a team has to account for the full Cap hit until it is determined that the bonuses won't be met.

LAUGHTON!
- isaiah520

BANG ZOOMMMM!!!!

Bingo. In short, drafting defensemen is a long term solution to a problem that's both short and long term. I'd like to see them develop 'that' defenseman, but it won't help us in the right now, and right now I'd like to see a Flyers team that has both Claude Giroux and a #1 defenseman.
- BulliesPhan87

You hit the nail on the head. The fact the team hasn't won in forever doesn't allow both Flyers Management and the fans to have any patience at all.