Lets cut to the chase. Carle sucked, was overpaid, and is gone.
- Daman

#sarcasm

Carle had great synergy with Pronger.
I wonder if Pronger didn't get hurt, would Carle still be a Flyer?

I wouldn't say that Carle excelled defensively. But I would disagree that Carle was defensively a turnstile, or that he was subpar defensively. That's an innacurate description in my opinion. Carle was solid in his own end. Nothing special, but he was reliable. And a very good shot blocker.
- MJL

Agree with all of this.

Unfortunately, his skills were priced out of the Flyers' market.

Carle had great synergy with Pronger.
I wonder if Pronger didn't get hurt, would Carle still be a Flyer?
- Marc D

then why not say...
if JVR didn't get hurt, would he would still be a Flyer?

Carle had great synergy with Pronger.
I wonder if Pronger didn't get hurt, would Carle still be a Flyer?
- Marc D

Probably not only because Carle with Pronger looks like a better player than Carle with our 6th/7th/8th defenseman, and that Carle would get paid more. I would assume.

Yes, turnstile was harsh. And I know he was the popular defensive whipping boy. There were just too many instances where he was caught standing still or waving his stick as he watched a forward go flying past him towards the goalie. I know you have to take the good with the bad, but not at the price he got. So I'll relent; they lost a good puck-mover who had a share of defensive shortcomings.
- jmatchett

Carle was a solid defenseman. He was reliable defensively. Good at positioning and reading plays. Evidenced by his high shot blocking totals every Season. Where he had issues was in physical battles around the net. He wasn't a big guy.
With the future cap reduction, and the Flyers Cap situation going forward. Along with the Flyers need to replace Pronger and an aging Timonen. it wold have put the Flyers in a bind to re-sign Carle at that proce. Carle is not that player. So I'm okay with it. It will hurt them in the short term, but hopefully then can somehow find a way to get the player the need. And hopefully other players can step up and offset the loss of Carle.

Yes, turnstile was harsh. And I know he was the popular defensive whipping boy. There were just too many instances where he was caught standing still or waving his stick as he watched a forward go flying past him towards the goalie. I know you have to take the good with the bad, but not at the price he got. So I'll relent; they lost a good puck-mover who had a share of defensive shortcomings.
- jmatchett

I'm not going to make a big debate out of it, and I really don't think the difference of opinion here is negligible (let's be frank, Carle is one of a few player people rehash for no reason but their personal feuds, and I ain't talking about you sir). But at the end of the day, you're spot on about at least one thing: He got a healthy salary, and that price point didn't mesh with the Flyers plans.

At the end of the day, the relevant fact is that the Flyers will need the blueliners they have to improve their puck movement, unless they intend to add somebody with that skillset.

Carle was a solid defenseman. He was reliable defensively. Good at positioning and reading plays. Evidenced by his high shot blocking totals every Season. Where he had issues was in physical battles around the net. He wasn't a big guy.
With the future cap reduction, and the Flyers Cap situation going forward. Along with the Flyers need to replace Pronger and an aging Timonen. it wold have put the Flyers in a bind to re-sign Carle at that proce. Carle is not that player. So I'm okay with it. It will hurt them in the short term, but hopefully then can somehow find a way to get the player the need. And hopefully other players can step up and offset the loss of Carle.
- MJL

My biggest knock on Carle is his muffin shot, for a puck moving offensive minded defenseman he shot like a 4 year old.

Edit: if he got it to the net.

Trade back for JVRBring back Lindros
Steal underpants
????????
Profit

Problem Solved
- KINGKENZO

No way.

JVR is a building block for the Leafs now.

Guy has superstar written all over him.

You want him back, you are going to have to pay so much for him it hurts.

We're talking 1st round picks, Giroux, prospects,....

Hey, you gonna eat the rest of that pizza?

Maybe we could work out a deal. I'm pretty hungry, and that pizza looks mighty good right about now.

My biggest knock on Carle is his muffin shot, for a puck moving offensive minded defenseman he shot like a 4 year old.

Edit: if he got it to the net.
- GirouxForTheShow

He sure could rack up the apples, but at his price point the goal totals are unspectacular.

No way.

JVR is a building block for the Leafs now.

Guy has superstar written all over him.

You want him back, you are going to have to pay so much for him it hurts.

We're talking 1st round picks, Giroux, prospects,....

Hey, you gonna eat the rest of that pizza?

Maybe we could work out a deal. I'm pretty hungry, and that pizza looks mighty good right about now.
- Atomic Wedgie

1 slice pepperoni, 2 slices plain, and a 2nd round pick for JVR. GID Holmger.

then why not say...
if JVR didn't get hurt, would he would still be a Flyer?
- phi1671

different subject, but just as worthy

1 slice pepperoni, 2 slices plain, and a 2nd round pick for JVR. GID Holmger.
- BulliesPhan87

You had JVR at 1 slice pepperoni.

You had JVR at 1 slice pepperoni.
- Atomic Wedgie

Well you're still getting the second rounder, we don't make deals without them

My biggest knock on Carle is his muffin shot, for a puck moving offensive minded defenseman he shot like a 4 year old.

Edit: if he got it to the net.
- GirouxForTheShow

Yep, he does not have a good shot.

Its unfortunate that you allow your disdain for certain players to blind you of their ability.
- jak521

No disdain here. Call me brother love.

No way.

JVR is a building block for the Leafs now.

Guy has superstar written all over him.

You want him back, you are going to have to pay so much for him it hurts.

We're talking 1st round picks, Giroux, prospects,....

Hey, you gonna eat the rest of that pizza?

Maybe we could work out a deal. I'm pretty hungry, and that pizza looks mighty good right about now.
- Atomic Wedgie

Large pie, sausage, peppers, and extra troll on top.

No disdain here. Call me brother love.
- Daman

Brother Love was Da Man!

Large pie, sausage, peppers, and extra troll on top.
- Daman

Please don't interfere with our negotiations. Thank you.

-Management

Brother Love was Da Man!


- PLindbergh31

Correction: Brother Love is Da Man, and Da Man is Brother Love.

1 slice pepperoni, 2 slices plain, and a 2nd round pick for JVR. GID Holmger.
- BulliesPhan87

Will the pizza be accused of faking injuries to avoid being traded?

Will the pizza be accused of faking injuries to avoid being traded?
- jmatchett

Leafs are now reporting that you just hurt JVR's feelings with that comment. He's out 4 to 6 weeks.

This whole trade is now in jeopardy.

Thanks, JMatchett. Thanks for blowing it.

It wouldn't be a Carle debate without this blast from the past. 180 pound underwear models are bad ass!

Well you're still getting the second rounder, we don't make deals without them
- BulliesPhan87

homer wont give up a #1...visions of stealing another center in the draft

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