It would have cost more than Couts. Likely Couts, Schenn +
- jak521

if you get weber u keep JVR just keep that in mind

Since the start of last season we have lost Pronger, Carle, JvR, and Jagr (off the top of my head) and have gained Grossmann, Schenn, Gervais, Foster and Rusty. If people didnt expect to see a drop in play (even if marginally) they were fooling themselves.

What we need is a d-man who can skate and move the puck well.. They come at a premium, but we may find out that we need to pay that premium.
- jak521

The lost of Pronger in and of itself is irreparable for the most part. Franchise defensemen don't grow on trees and Prongs was one of the best even at his age. But we already knew this.

i definitely agree with you there. that is the one thing i thing holmgren miscalculated. he thought he could get the best defenseman in the league purely through hard ball. if the inclusion of coots is the only thing that prevented you guys from getting weber, it was an error.
- stayinthefnnet

couldnt have said it any better.

The bigger problem is in the drop of play from Giroux, Timonen, Hartnell, Voracek, Coburn and Grossmann.
- Jsaquella

That is the main problem with this team, absoulutely, but to look at the losses and additions, and not expect struggles would be asinine.

In the course of a season we lost our top d-pairing and 2 top 6 forwards. We replaced it with 0 top pairing d-men, and 1 bottom 6 forward. Thatll sting..

It would have cost more than Couts. Likely Couts, Schenn +
- jak521

yeah, that is the tricky part in what exactly it would have cost. giving both would make me give pause. but one in addition to read and picks and whatever else it was, wouldve been the right choice in my mind

IMo the offer sheet was lame, i understand homer was tryin to get him without losing any players, but the fact of the matter is, weber would be a flyer right now if homer would have agreed to trade for his rights which leads to the question i proposed. do u take a franchise number 1 Norris trophy finalist year in year out or a Potential Jordan stall selke finalist in 4-5 years...
- Flyers4Life88

Regardless of whether or not the sheet was lame, or whether or not Weber could have been had in trade, if the Flyers had re-signed Carle for $5.5mm and Jagr for $3.75mm, they can't take on the contract of Weber or Suter at all. That would have been it for the cap space and ability to add players.

Holmgren rolled the dice, trying to improve the team. It didn't work. Now he has to go to plan B.

honestly.. I think the Flyers should seriously consider looking at Niedereiter and Visnovsky..
- jak521

I was certainly thinking that Visnovsky would help.. I wonder what the Brooklyn Islanders would want?

I wouldnt over pay, but I would definitely give it a shot..
- jak521

77 goals in 110 games in Juniors plus 19 this year for Bridgeport in 39 games. He wants out so that might help us not to overpay but anytime you're dealing with an intradivisional trade, things get dicey.

That is the main problem with this team, absoulutely, but to look at the losses and additions, and not expect struggles would be asinine.

In the course of a season we lost our top d-pairing and 2 top 6 forwards. We replaced it with 0 top pairing d-men, and 1 bottom 6 forward. Thatll sting..
- jak521

It will sting, but that's when the coaching takes over and makes adjustments to accomodate and limit the pain.

Regardless of whether or not the sheet was lame, or whether or not Weber could have been had in trade, if the Flyers had re-signed Carle for $5.5mm and Jagr for $3.75mm, they can't take on the contract of Weber or Suter at all. That would have been it for the cap space and ability to add players.

Holmgren rolled the dice, trying to improve the team. It didn't work. Now he has to go to plan B.
- Jsaquella

The trade with nashvile was bein proposed at the draft omg, didnt have to wait til when july 14th to pull the trigger on the offer sheet. timing was everything. they make a trade at the draft have em signed before july 1 and then they work the numbers. he didnt do that

I was certainly thinking that Visnovsky would help.. I wonder what the Brooklyn Islanders would want?
- Hextall271

visnovsky makes 5 mil, we wouldnt be having this discussion if homer didnt play hardball with NSH

Regardless of whether or not the sheet was lame, or whether or not Weber could have been had in trade, if the Flyers had re-signed Carle for $5.5mm and Jagr for $3.75mm, they can't take on the contract of Weber or Suter at all. That would have been it for the cap space and ability to add players.

Holmgren rolled the dice, trying to improve the team. It didn't work. Now he has to go to plan B.
- Jsaquella

regardless of weber or not, you guys not committing to those contracts was the correct decision at the time. due to an extremely thin supply, carle got significantly much more than he was worth. and yeah jags would help right now, but 4 million is a lot to risk on a guy who may not have much left in the tank in april when it counts

The trade with nashvile was bein proposed at the draft omg, didnt have to wait til when july 14th to pull the trigger on the offer sheet. timing was everything. they make a trade at the draft have em signed before july 1 and then they work the numbers. he didnt do that
- Flyers4Life88

This is all just speculation. Nashville matching the offer sheet says to me that they weren't all that much interested in trading Weber, regardless of the return. You also need to remember that Weber is the face of the franchise and it would have been a huge blow to everything Nashville has done from a PR standpoint to trade him.

regardless of weber or not, you guys not committing to those contracts was the correct decision at the time. due to an extremely thin supply, carle got significantly much more than he was worth. and yeah jags would help right now, but 4 million is a lot to risk on a guy who may not have much left in the tank in april when it counts
- stayinthefnnet

heres a quesiton how do you think homer is going to resign G, couts and schenn?! how im sayin 7 plus for G, 3.5 plus for couts 3.5 plus for schenn?

there was a instant void needed to be filled through the loss of pronger and he didnt fill it

Any news on the outcome of the Brayden Schenn hearing with Shanny?

Drouin's a good prospect but I think it's a two horse race between Jones and MacKinnon for #1 overall.
- NickTheKid87

Flyers would trade Jones mid-season if he wasn't a stud in his first year. What is your take on Barkov?

Any news on the outcome of the Brayden Schenn hearing with Shanny?
- Marc D

No word yet.

Flyers would trade Jones mid-season if he wasn't a stud in his first year. What is your take on Barkov?
- wilsonecho91

He puts up some good numbers over in Finland but there is always a level of skepticism as to how he'll adapt to the North American game. Other then that, I've never seen him play so I can't really say.

regardless of weber or not, you guys not committing to those contracts was the correct decision at the time. due to an extremely thin supply, carle got significantly much more than he was worth. and yeah jags would help right now, but 4 million is a lot to risk on a guy who may not have much left in the tank in april when it counts
- stayinthefnnet

The problem is, in trading for a replacement, they'll end up coughing up assets. It's going to be interesting to see what happens

Your not dealing with Nashville. Montreal would match the offer...Your going to have to give up couts or schenn...

Adding weber makes you a cup cotender.....Subban =/= Weber
- Philly1980

I'm willing to trade Schenn for Subban. Telling me Subban isn't the equal to Webber isn't breaking any news yo. The Webber ship has sailed. Webber can't be a part of the Flyers plans now or any time in the near future. Subban however is a free agent and so he can still be signed. That's not the way I would approach it because you're right... Montreal is going to match unless you're crazy about the money and that's just not a sane solution.

I'm willing to trade Schenn for Subban. Telling me Subban isn't the equal to Webber isn't breaking any news yo. The Webber ship has sailed. Webber can't be a part of the Flyers plans now or any time in the near future. Subban however is a free agent and so he can still be signed. That's not the way I would approach it because you're right... Montreal is going to match unless you're crazy about the money and that's just not a sane solution.
- mayorofangrytown

Offer sheets are pretty dumb IMo, more likely to get the RFA through trade

The problem is, in trading for a replacement, they'll end up coughing up assets. It's going to be interesting to see what happens
- Jsaquella

Their trading assets mainly are Couts, B Schenn, Voracek, and to a lesser extent Read and maybe Simmonds.

I am fearful it may be Voracek they end up trading.

Their trading assets mainly are Couts, B Schenn, Voracek, and to a lesser extent Read and maybe Simmonds.

I am fearful it may be Voracek they end up trading.
- Marc D

HAHA after they just resigned him...Philadelphia typical

this is not how you do business

Offer sheets are pretty dumb IMo, more likely to get the RFA through trade
- Flyers4Life88

That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm just saying that him not being signed gives you some leverage. You can talk to him and float the structure of a contract. That's not tampering because he's not signed. Once he knows where you're at with money that puts the clamps on Montreal, then you can try to make that trade happen.

I'm willing to trade Schenn for Subban. Telling me Subban isn't the equal to Webber isn't breaking any news yo. The Webber ship has sailed. Webber can't be a part of the Flyers plans now or any time in the near future. Subban however is a free agent and so he can still be signed. That's not the way I would approach it because you're right... Montreal is going to match unless you're crazy about the money and that's just not a sane solution.
- mayorofangrytown

I'd trade Schenn for Subban as well but with the recent acquisition of Luke Schenn, there is no way Brayden Schenn gets traded unless Luke is going with him, which is highly unlikely. So now you have another more realistic trade scenario of Couturier for Subban and that one's a little tougher to make a decision on.