well they're pretty much right to be fair
- toskala4vezina

Yes with the Yankees and possibly the Giants but what have the Rangers done lately? 1 cup in 94.

Assuming the pick is gonna be low is a bad way to handle this. We're 2 games into the season and already we're talking about not wanting to give up the pick cause it "could be" a low pick??? EIther way, Nino is a year from making this team, and AMAC has chemistry with Hamonic........both of whom are very cabable of logging 20 min a night (AMAC logs 20 min a night making the league min).

Give up the two picks for christs sake...........Offer sheet SUbban. If the Habs were gonna pay him 5 million a year they woulda offered him that. The season has started..........they wouldnt have let it go this long.

Everyone who is assumiong this kid wont accept that offer to play with his boy Tavares............i have 30 million reasons why he would.
- kindlyrick

I'm curious as to why NO ONE in the league offer-sheeted Subban. Seems to me that if he were worth the trouble, someone would have done it. I know I've heard people say that he's a major league richard, so perhaps front offices don't want to touch him?

Are you really getting your dander up because a radio guy is a homer?

I'm not familiar with the New York Area radio scene - are all the talk show guys completely objective?
- Atomic Wedgie

Screw Southern Ontario...

Even though Toronto should not be considered part of it.

They are in a world of their own!!!

well they're pretty much right to be fair
- toskala4vezina

Not laughing at the comment,....laughing at the username!

I'm curious as to why NO ONE in the league offer-sheeted Subban. Seems to me that if he were worth the trouble, someone would have done it. I know I've heard people say that he's a major league richard, so perhaps front offices don't want to touch him?
- keaner17

Offer sheets are pretty rare to begin with. I think a lot of GMs still consider it an underhanded move. *edit* -- correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't GMs offer sheet Benn if they wanted to as well? Not sure it has to do with Subban as much as the concept of the offer sheet in general.

Its gonna be hard, Its gonna be intense, its gonna be wonderful
- Vukota

omg i was wondering if anyone else noticed that. the way he says wonderful absolutely annoys me. He sounds like a total homosexual (in quoting seinfeld, not that theres anything wrong with that)

omg i was wondering if anyone else noticed that. the way he says wonderful absolutely annoys me. He sounds like a total homosexual (in quoting seinfeld, not that theres anything wrong with that)
- Dedshark

Love the commercial I even made it my location.. That commercial was more entertaining than the Devils Isles game

Assuming the pick is gonna be low is a bad way to handle this. We're 2 games into the season and already we're talking about not wanting to give up the pick cause it "could be" a low pick??? EIther way, Nino is a year from making this team, and AMAC has chemistry with Hamonic........both of whom are very cabable of logging 20 min a night (AMAC logs 20 min a night making the league min).

Give up the two picks for christs sake...........Offer sheet SUbban. If the Habs were gonna pay him 5 million a year they woulda offered him that. The season has started..........they wouldnt have let it go this long.

Everyone who is assumiong this kid wont accept that offer to play with his boy Tavares............i have 30 million reasons why he would.
- kindlyrick

the reason there aren't more offer sheets is because in order to get a player you need to overpay him to get him to sign it, and even with that the team that gets the right to match isn't going to let him go because it makes their organization look weak and makes them a target.

One player has ever been let walk on an offer sheet. ONE. Not a few, not a couple, One. Dustin Penner.

Montreal will match, they've already said that. They don't want to have to pay PK Subban 5+ a year but if someone forces their hand they will. The Isles can't give him more than that because they don't have the draft picks to go higher. If they offer sheet him to 5 mil then the Habs match and we're in the same spot.

PK Subban had 14 goals the first year, which is why he's highly regarded. Know who was in a similar situation in Montreal before accepting a huge contract? Souray.

Is PK better than Souray? I believe he is, but then again Souray flamed out after leaving Montreal. Last year PK dropped from 14 goals to 7 on almost the same number of shots, his shooting percentage dropped from 7% to 3.4%. His assists went up marginally but his point total is still lower.

The kid looks good, but this is not the second coming of Bourque. He makes high risk plays in his own end, frequently takes unnecessary penalties and he showboats.

Would I take PK Subban on the Isles? Yes, depending what it cost in trade. You're kidding yourself if you think the Isles will break the Habs over a 5 mil per year contract and that they'll let him walk. You may want to actually stop and think about it for a few minutes, this crusade you have going for a 5 mil/year offer sheet is getting pretty silly.

Offer sheets are pretty rare to begin with. I think a lot of GMs still consider it an underhanded move. *edit* -- correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't GMs offer sheet Benn if they wanted to as well? Not sure it has to do with Subban as much as the concept of the offer sheet in general.
- UIF

Yes Benn could be offer sheeted. It is definitely one of those things that, while completely within the rules, is looked down upon. We can all remember Burkie throwing a sh!t fit when Lowe offer-sheeted Penner while he was RFA status with the Ducks.

I'm curious as to why NO ONE in the league offer-sheeted Subban. Seems to me that if he were worth the trouble, someone would have done it. I know I've heard people say that he's a major league richard, so perhaps front offices don't want to touch him?
- keaner17

because you need to give up numerous draft picks if he does sign...

Yes Benn could be offer sheeted. It is definitely one of those things that, while completely within the rules, is looked down upon. We can all remember Burkie throwing a sh!tfit when Lowe offer-sheeted Penner while he was RFA status with the Ducks.
- eichiefs9

It's not that it's looked down upon - it's just that it's a waste of time. The Habs would simply match.

Not to mention Subban is looking for a serious piece of cake - if he wants around $6 milly, you have to be willing to give up your 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks. The compensation is killer.

It's not that it's looked down upon - it's just that it's a waste of time. The Habs would simply match.

Not to mention Subban is looking for a serious piece of cake - if he wants around $6 milly, you have to be willing to give up your 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks. The compensation is killer.
- Atomic Wedgie

It makes no sense to me. I get the argument that a proven player is more valuable than rolling the dice on draft picks, as high as they may be. But if I'm going to completely mortgage my future on one player, it better be someone who is literally a top 5 player in the league and has been for years. AKA someone who will never make it to RFA status.

I'm curious as to why NO ONE in the league offer-sheeted Subban. Seems to me that if he were worth the trouble, someone would have done it. I know I've heard people say that he's a major league richard, so perhaps front offices don't want to touch him?
- keaner17

Anythings possible, but its my understanding that offer sheeting a player is frowned upon. Clearly garth is a new GM and doesnt wanna piss anyone off. On paper offer sheeting subban is the right move .

Leafs with one of the highest payrolls have sucked, themselves, for the past decade. Top five drafting most of those years. gm just got fired. Oh, yeah, they're SOOOOOOOOO much better than us.
- jmo16

All i was saying with the win/loss % Leafs had more wins then Isles did the past 7-10 years..

But in reality both teams were a huge joke and still are..

Anythings possible, but its my understanding that offer sheeting a player is frowned upon. Clearly garth is a new GM and doesnt wanna piss anyone off. On paper offer sheeting subban is the right move .
- kindlyrick

It's a waste of time if a team has confirmed they'd match the offer because the amount the Isles can offer is limited to less than what the player is actually asking for, and they won't get him even if he signs because the Habs match. This isn't just the Isles not wanting to offer sheet Subban, there are 28 other teams in the league who have not shown any interest in doing so. He's going to be resigned or traded.

the reason there aren't more offer sheets is because in order to get a player you need to overpay him to get him to sign it, and even with that the team that gets the right to match isn't going to let him go because it makes their organization look weak and makes them a target.

One player has ever been let walk on an offer sheet. ONE. Not a few, not a couple, One. Dustin Penner.

Montreal will match, they've already said that. They don't want to have to pay PK Subban 5+ a year but if someone forces their hand they will. The Isles can't give him more than that because they don't have the draft picks to go higher. If they offer sheet him to 5 mil then the Habs match and we're in the same spot.

PK Subban had 14 goals the first year, which is why he's highly regarded. Know who was in a similar situation in Montreal before accepting a huge contract? Souray.

Is PK better than Souray? I believe he is, but then again Souray flamed out after leaving Montreal. Last year PK dropped from 14 goals to 7 on almost the same number of shots, his shooting percentage dropped from 7% to 3.4%. His assists went up marginally but his point total is still lower.

The kid looks good, but this is not the second coming of Bourque. He makes high risk plays in his own end, frequently takes unnecessary penalties and he showboats.

Would I take PK Subban on the Isles? Yes, depending what it cost in trade. You're kidding yourself if you think the Isles will break the Habs over a 5 mil per year contract and that they'll let him walk. You may want to actually stop and think about it for a few minutes, this crusade you have going for a 5 mil/year offer sheet is getting pretty silly.
- Isles_since_6

First, let me say, you had me until the Souray comment.

Second, noone is saying he's the next coming of Borque, but if you look at where he finished point wise last year, every guy above and below him makes 4.5/6.5 million. SO, again i ask, is 5 million really over paying for him?

Lastly, the whole idea of offer sheeting him is to NOT part with players in the system. Do i think the 5 million per year will break the Habs? Who knows.......neither of us can answer that......but by using deductive reasoning, when they are offering 2.5 for 2 years........i'd say 5 million over 6 years is more in line of what he wants. I dont consider 5 million overpaying, and even if it is, how do you rationalize offering top dollar for Paul Martin, Christian Ehrhoff, Drury and Gomez? Fact is this kid comes to our team and is immediately a top 2 guy. He immediately can pass, shoot, hit, and play PP as good if not better than anyone on this team. Seems to me he's an upgrage on d which is what this team needs.

It makes no sense to me. I get the argument that a proven player is more valuable than rolling the dice on draft picks, as high as they may be. But if I'm going to completely mortgage my future on one player, it better be someone who is literally a top 5 player in the league and has been for years. AKA someone who will never make it to RFA status.
- eichiefs9

Define mortgaging the future? Im not for trading for this guy. Even if you trade for him, he's still not signed....

It's a waste of time if a team has confirmed they'd match the offer because the amount the Isles can offer is limited to less than what the player is actually asking for, and they won't get him even if he signs because the Habs match. This isn't just the Isles not wanting to offer sheet Subban, there are 28 other teams in the league who have not shown any interest in doing so. He's going to be resigned or traded.
- Isles_since_6

Look we can all go back and forth over the offer sheet thing........BUT its not the norm in the league. I've read that its frowned upon, and most GMs respect it. Its well within their rights, but its frowned upon.

If the Habs would match any offer, they woulda signed him by now. I dont buy that. Thats a defensive response...

yes on yash.
no on DP. $4.5 is totally reasonable for a No. 1 goalie. Length too long. Injuries unforeseeable.
- jmo16

290 pts in 346 games with the Isles with absolutely no help. I mean come on - he looks around and see's Aaron Asham, Oleg Kvasha, than Jason Blake. Yashin's deal would have worked out fine if management would have gotten someone to play with him.

Could you imagine going out for the opening faceoff with Asham and Kvasha on your wings?? Jesus tap dancing christ...
- Mr.Black

Hey I'm not a Yashin hater but 10 mil/10 years? He was over paid all be it neccesary to get him here.

First, let me say, you had me until the Souray comment.

Second, noone is saying he's the next coming of Borque, but if you look at where he finished point wise last year, every guy above and below him makes 4.5/6.5 million. SO, again i ask, is 5 million really over paying for him?

Lastly, the whole idea of offer sheeting him is to NOT part with players in the system. Do i think the 5 million per year will break the Habs? Who knows.......neither of us can answer that......but by using deductive reasoning, when they are offering 2.5 for 2 years........i'd say 5 million over 6 years is more in line of what he wants. I dont consider 5 million overpaying, and even if it is, how do you rationalize offering top dollar for Paul Martin, Christian Ehrhoff, Drury and Gomez? Fact is this kid comes to our team and is immediately a top 2 guy. He immediately can pass, shoot, hit, and play PP as good if not better than anyone on this team. Seems to me he's an upgrage on d which is what this team needs.
- kindlyrick

you're forgetting something of major importance when you reference those players. All of them were UFA's for those contracts. That's when players are expected to sign the largest contracts of their careers. The second contract after the entry level contract is not supposed to jump right to 5 mil per year unless the team feels it's for an exceptional talent they want to lock up long term. I'm with Montreal's gm here, take a shorter deal at less money and prove the decline in your goal totals wasn't a trend. Prove you can maintain the point totals and play responsible hockey at a high level. Then you've earned a bigger contract.

what a UFA is worth and a RFA are worth are two entirely different things.

Are you really getting your dander up because a radio guy is a homer?

I'm not familiar with the New York Area radio scene - are all the talk show guys completely objective?
- Atomic Wedgie

Well, in NY, very few are worth their weight in hockey pucks when it comes to overall hockey knowledge but between Montreal, Ottawa & Toronto press I've seen/read some over-exaggerated sterotypical analysis' of my team. They need to look in the mirror on occasion. I know canadian press can be critical of canadian teams but it seems like they get their info second or third hand of from blogs when it comes to the isles.
Perfect example: The Hockey News this week claims Mark Streit was recovering last season from major BACK surgery...he tore his labrum. I know the shoulder is near the back but check your facts Ryan Kennedy...

The leafs have a letdown after every huge win.......not to mention they lost Lupol last night. Sorry but i dont see them hanging with the isles tonight. JT loves to dangle in the ACC
- kindlyrick

Yes, exactly. Teams that aren't that good shat the bed after a big one. Look no further than our own team for an example

you're forgetting something of major importance when you reference those players. All of them were UFA's for those contracts. That's when players are expected to sign the largest contracts of their careers. The second contract after the entry level contract is not supposed to jump right to 5 mil per year unless the team feels it's for an exceptional talent they want to lock up long term. I'm with Montreal's gm here, take a shorter deal at less money and prove the decline in your goal totals wasn't a trend. Prove you can maintain the point totals and play responsible hockey at a high level. Then you've earned a bigger contract.

what a UFA is worth and a RFA are worth are two entirely different things.
- Isles_since_6

Im not forgetting anything..........my point was if you want someone you gotta pay for him. Why is it ok to overspend here, but not there. PK Subban is the real deal.........whether you wanna admit it or not. He's worth going after...

Like I said many times..........Subban comes here and like it or not, is our best dman.

well they're pretty much right to be fair
- toskala4vezina

Meh not really