It does matter. If they match, then they can't trade him for a year. If the Flyers truly want to get him. Then it needs to be a deal so high that they won't match. Which I don't think he's worth. Or work out a deal for him. The whole purpose is to obtain the player.
- MJL

Do you argue just to argue?

What your saying is bullpoop. We just went through this with weber.

It does matter. If they match, then they can't trade him for a year. If the Flyers truly want to get him. Then it needs to be a deal so high that they won't match. Which I don't think he's worth. Or work out a deal for him. The whole purpose is to obtain the player.
- MJL

The revenge factor cannot be overlooked, in all honesty. If the Preds are in the market for a shutdown center in a few years, I don't see why they wouldn't offer-sheet Coots. Expect the Habs to do the same if we go with an offer sheet. I know offer-sheets are legal, but it has to get under the skin of a GM, especially in MTL where they're trying to set an example of what their RFA's can expect to receive.

Do you argue just to argue?

What your saying is bullpoop. We just went through this with weber.
- Flyersgod

Exactly. And the result is that they didn't get the player. So if the objective is to obtain the player. There are only two options.

do you guys think that Weber and Suter are overrated when they arent together. I havent seen much of Weber but, Suter looks to be struggling mightily without his former partner.

Do you argue just to argue?

What your saying is bullpoop. We just went through this with weber.
- Flyersgod

I think his thoughts are completely valid.

In order to steal PK with an offer sheet, it has to be:
A.) Greater than what MTL is willing to offer
AND
B.) In line with what Subban deserves.

The Flyers thought they fulfilled the criteria when going for Weber, but Nashville surprised many people and matched. I don't know what PK is/will be worth; but you don't want to overpay him for overpayment's sake. Pay him what he deserves, and hope MTL doesn't match. Either way, Flyers shouldn't be offer-sheeting RFA's left and right; it should be reserved for rare circumstances.

Exactly. And the result is that they didn't get the player. So if the objective is to obtain the player. There are only two options.
- MJL

They dont NEED him is the point.

If you cant grasp how simple this is then im sorry.

Im done with you.

The revenge factor cannot be overlooked, in all honesty. If the Preds are in the market for a shutdown center in a few years, I don't see why they wouldn't offer-sheet Coots. Expect the Habs to do the same if we go with an offer sheet. I know offer-sheets are legal, but it has to get under the skin of a GM, especially in MTL where they're trying to set an example of what their RFA's can expect to receive.
- steelydan

I think if you make a somewhat reasonable offer sheet. Such as 5 years $20M for Subban. There might not be hurt feeling from that. But Subban may not agree to that, and it's likely they match that.

And if it's true that Montreal is trying to set a precedent for a player coming out of EL deals. I support that 100%

They dont NEED him is the point.

If you cant grasp how simple this is then im sorry.

Im done with you.
- Flyersgod

If they don't need him, why would they try to obtain him?

I think his thoughts are completely valid.

In order to steal PK with an offer sheet, it has to be:
A.) Greater than what MTL is willing to offer
AND
B.) In line with what Subban deserves.

The Flyers thought they fulfilled the criteria when going for Weber, but Nashville surprised many people and matched. I don't know what PK is/will be worth; but you don't want to overpay him for overpayment's sake. Pay him what he deserves, and hope MTL doesn't match. Either way, Flyers shouldn't be offer-sheeting RFA's left and right; it should be reserved for rare circumstances.
- steelydan

Montreal offered him 2 years for 2.5mil a season.

Im not sure what your arguement is. If they match we lose nothing. If they dont we lose picks.

I'd rather that scenario then losing couts.

If they don't need him, why would they try to obtain him?
- MJL

That could be argued according to Flyer sources they arent trying to aquire him its rumor mills and outside sources. Of course Flyers also said they wouldnt offer sheet Weber so take that with a grain of salt.

If they don't need him, why would they try to obtain him?
- MJL

So the Flyers won't be able to play the game without him?

They don't NEED him. This is a strawman argument meant to provoke an arguement over some sematics.

That could be argued according to Flyer sources they arent trying to aquire him its rumor mills and outside sources. Of course Flyers also said they wouldnt offer sheet Weber so take that with a grain of salt.
- flyerfan28

True. I have no idea whether they are or aren't seriously trying to obtain him. But I would bet that they have made inquiries. Probably half the League has.

That could be argued according to Flyer sources they arent trying to aquire him its rumor mills and outside sources. Of course Flyers also said they wouldnt offer sheet Weber so take that with a grain of salt.
- flyerfan28

No players is NEEDED. Don't even bother responding to him.

The revenge factor cannot be overlooked, in all honesty. If the Preds are in the market for a shutdown center in a few years, I don't see why they wouldn't offer-sheet Coots. Expect the Habs to do the same if we go with an offer sheet. I know offer-sheets are legal, but it has to get under the skin of a GM, especially in MTL where they're trying to set an example of what their RFA's can expect to receive.
- steelydan

So these teams will construct their rosters and manage their caps with hopes of extracting revenge against the flyers

So the Flyers won't be able to play the game without him?

They don't NEED him. This is a strawman argument meant to provoke an arguement over some sematics.
- Flyersgod

I think when you pursue a player on another team, whether it is through trade, or an Offer Sheet. It's because you feel there is a need on the team, and that player fills that need.

I think when you pursue a player on another team, whether it is through trade, or an Offer Sheet. It's because you feel there is a need on the team, and that player fills that need.
- MJL

So they can't play the game without him?

No players is NEEDED. Don't even bother responding to him.
- Flyersgod

Well thats my point we could all be arguing over nothing, for all we know Flyers want nothing to do with him and per HockeyInsiderr (I know I know) Subban isnt even considering offer sheets right now which would be ridunculous.

Montreal offered him 2 years for 2.5mil a season.

Im not sure what your arguement is. If they match we lose nothing. If they dont we lose picks.

I'd rather that scenario then losing couts.
- Flyersgod

You ruin a relationship with a possible trading partner for starters...

You ruin a relationship with a possible trading partner for starters...
- hereticpride

We dont know that though.. and lets be honest here.. its montreal..

If they cared about that they wouldnt have offered weber a co tract imo.. we trade a lot with nashville..

But your point is valid

I'd take all three of the Subban brothers
- Dkos

Saw Jordan last January play in Kingston.

Aye.. the amount of pressure here at all is minimal.. imo..

No one has to do anything
- Flyersgod

Exactly. Flyers could use him but is it worth making another area weaker to do it?

Josh Rimer ‏@JoshRimerHockey

Jason Arnott has signed with the NY Rangers. 1.6 million on a 1 yr deal.

Well thats my point we could all be arguing over nothing, for all we know Flyers want nothing to do with him and per HockeyInsiderr (I know I know) Subban isnt even considering offer sheets right now which would be ridunculous.
- flyerfan28

Thing I loved most about the lockout #2, not having to read that terd's name, HockeyInsiderr

Anthony SanFilippo ‏@AnthonySan37

I'm told Danny #Briere will play tonight for the #Flyers. Twitter in Philadelphia begins to explode in 3…2…1… #NHL

Anthony SanFilippo ‏@AnthonySan37

I'm told Danny #Briere will play tonight for the #Flyers. Twitter in Philadelphia begins to explode in 3…2…1… #NHL
- ob18

Yawn