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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:32 AM ET
which would be a mistake
- isaiah520


I don't think it's a mistake. Laughton has shown he can play in the NHL.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 26 @ 10:32 AM ET
If the Flyers want to improve the defense with a trade, they'll have to use something of value. If they do trade B Schenn, I don't think it's because they gave up on him. I think he's going to be a good player also, but I would deal him in the right move.
- MJL

I would allow things to play out. Tonight is a winnable game and our offense seems most lacking for now. It would be a mistake to trade Schenn.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:32 AM ET
which would be a mistake
- isaiah520


I agree, I thought from day 1 he should have been sent back to Oshawa.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 26 @ 10:32 AM ET
Assume the Flyers will not get a top 5 pick. These d-men are ranked high by central scouting. I wouldn't trade up for a d-man.

Rasmus Ristolainen - D - TPS (SML) - 6-3, 207 - PR: 7
Ryan Pulock - D - Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) - 6-0, 209 - PR: 11
Darnell Nurse - D - Soo Greyhounds (OHL) - 6-3, 185 - PR: 25
Nikita Zadorov - D - London Knights (OHL) - 6-5, 229 - PR: 17

- fnmjoe13

i just can't envision a guy w/ this name being any good...sounds like he would get hurt a lot
flyersfan597
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 26 @ 10:33 AM ET
I really hope this is not the roster the put out there tonight. Sestito and Shelley come in and provide some much needed energy only to get tossed back into the press box the next game would be a joke. Especially, when you have stiffs like Wellwood and Fedotenko wasting roster spaces.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:34 AM ET
Darnell Nurse is the nephew on former Eagles QB Donovan McNabb for those who didn't know

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...-nhl-draft-board-that-is/

NHL Central Scouting’s Chris Edwards made the Pronger comparison
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 26 @ 10:35 AM ET
I don't think it's a mistake. Laughton has shown he can play in the NHL.
- MJL

not strong enuf yet and youre burning a yr from his ELC. laughton hasn't had a big enuf sample size to prove anything to anyone
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 26 @ 10:36 AM ET
I agree, I thought from day 1 he should have been sent back to Oshawa.
- ob18

I still do with the signing of Knuble
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 26 @ 10:36 AM ET
Darnell Nurse is the nephew on former Eagles QB Donovan McNabb for those who didn't know

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...-nhl-draft-board-that-is/

NHL Central Scouting’s Chris Edwards made the Pronger comparison

- ob18

such an unusual name i thought of Roxie right away
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 26 @ 10:38 AM ET
I agree, I thought from day 1 he should have been sent back to Oshawa.
- ob18

I think he will be. Personally I think he should stay tho.

Sestito should be in this game. He earned it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:39 AM ET
I would allow things to play out. Tonight is a winnable game and our offense seems most lacking for now. It would be a mistake to trade Schenn.
- SuperSchennBros


A very good puck moving defenseman would do wonders for the offense. They contribute as much to the offense as forwards do. I think they should also let it play out and be patient. But in the right deal, I would trade Schenn, reluctantly.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:40 AM ET
Assume the Flyers will not get a top 5 pick. These d-men are ranked high by central scouting. I wouldn't trade up for a d-man.

Rasmus Ristolainen - D - TPS (SML) - 6-3, 207 - PR: 7
Ryan Pulock - D - Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL) - 6-0, 209 - PR: 11
Darnell Nurse - D - Soo Greyhounds (OHL) - 6-3, 185 - PR: 25
Nikita Zadorov - D - London Knights (OHL) - 6-5, 229 - PR: 17

- fnmjoe13


You could also add

Josh Morrissey - Prince Albert (WHL)
Robert Hägg - Modo (SEL)
Shea Theodore - Seattle (WHL)
Keaton Thompson - US National Development Team
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:40 AM ET
not strong enuf yet and youre burning a yr from his ELC. laughton hasn't had a big enuf sample size to prove anything to anyone
- isaiah520



He's definitely strong enough. And yes, he would be using a year from his ELC. But his play overrides that concern in my opinion. If he can play at this level, and he helps the team, you keep him in my opinion.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
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Jan 26 @ 10:41 AM ET
I think he will be. Personally I think he should stay tho.

Sestito should be in this game. He earned it.

- hereticpride


Well he was already known he how well he is defensively but that his offensive game needs work, not sure he can work on that in the role he'll be asked to play with the Flyers as what he'd be able to do in Oshawa.

But they'll make the best choice for them.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jan 26 @ 10:41 AM ET
Why it's the Flyers way to trade somebody if they don't produce at an MVP level the moment they step on NHL ice.
- ob18


That's true, for sure.

But I'm just also not sure after watching Schenn after these last 50 or so games, what type of player he exactly is. He was projected to be a Mike Richards type, a gritty two way player with 25-30 goal potential. A second line center. I see gritty, but not a 25-30 goal scorer or a center.

He doesn't put himself in good positions to score often enough. He doesn't look to have noticeable hands, great speed, or seems to be an over average playmaker. His shot doesn't wow me by any means. I really haven't noticed him much during the games.

To date, he's a nice, in your face, responsible winger, but there are dozens of those out there.

But, your right. He's young and it's still early in his career so who really knows.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 26 @ 10:43 AM ET
How has he squandered that opportunity? He traded JVR for a young defenseman. And they still have a good supply of young forwards.
- MJL

we've covered this ground before and now the flyers are not in as strong of a position to use forward assets as they were for the puck mover they've needed.
Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jan 26 @ 10:43 AM ET
Hedman is a decent top 4 d-man, I'd make a deal for him if the price is right. I'm not sure anyone labelled him franchise-level, and he certainly is not a forward.
- Rocktane


He was also labeled potential franchise D; has yet to come close.

hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
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Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 26 @ 10:44 AM ET
Well he was already known he how well he is defensively but that his offensive game needs work, not sure he can work on that in the role he'll be asked to play with the Flyers as what he'd be able to do in Oshawa.

But they'll make the best choice for them.

- ob18

I think a lot of people assume he'll be buried on the 4th line if he stays but we all know Lavi gets his guys minutes at spots all over the lineup. Im fine with whatever they decide.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
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Jan 26 @ 10:45 AM ET
He's definitely strong enough. And yes, he would be using a year from his ELC. But his play overrides that concern in my opinion. If he can play at this level, and he helps the team, you keep him in my opinion.
- MJL

there is more value allowing him to develop another yr. i think you qualify to join flyers mgmt, however. instant gratification.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:47 AM ET
we've covered this ground before and now the flyers are not in as strong of a position to use forward assets as they were for the puck mover they've needed.
- isaiah520


I don't see how dealing one forward, in which the return was a quality young defenseman, puts them in a weak position to make other deals. They have a lot of young quality forward assets.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 26 @ 10:48 AM ET
A very good puck moving defenseman would do wonders for the offense. They contribute as much to the offense as forwards do. I think they should also let it play out and be patient. But in the right deal, I would trade Schenn, reluctantly.
- MJL

If you think fans are upset watching Patrick Sharp, Justin Williams, Simon Gagne, Jeff Carter and Mike Richards win a Cup now. Just wait until James van Riemsdyk reaches his full potential and could possibly start dominating us. Brayden Schenn could use his fuel to the fire of being given up on to dominate us. The worst part would be knowing that these trades are pretty recent.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jan 26 @ 10:48 AM ET
I have mixed feelings about Laughton staying.
He has been one of their more consistent forwards so far in terms of effort and effectiveness. He will surely hit a rough patch if he stays up at some point.
He is not a player that has to be in a top six spot to be effective.
If he can play in 3/4s of the games and get 10+ minutes a game I don't mind him staying up for the season.

I don't think he is the type of player that will go from his entry level deal right to a huge $ 2nd contract, because he is more of a third/4th line center and probably won't put up big scoring numbers.

I understand the reasons to send him back too.
Won't be too upset either way, unless they keep him up and not use him.
That would be a waste.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:49 AM ET
there is more value allowing him to develop another yr. i think you qualify to join flyers mgmt, however. instant gratification.
- isaiah520


Some players can develop at the NHL level. Sending him back doesn't guarantee that he will develop better. He doesn't look overwhelmed or over matched at this level. I think as long as he continues to play and get decent ice time, this will be good for him. Maybe they'll send him back. We'll see.
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Jan 26 @ 10:50 AM ET
there is more value allowing him to develop another yr. i think you qualify to join flyers mgmt, however. instant gratification.
- isaiah520


Flyers want to win now, obviously they would like to develop the player but with injuries and such Laughton can play a role on this team. This same conversation was said of Courtier last season and it played out pretty good.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 26 @ 10:50 AM ET
If you think fans are upset watching Patrick Sharp, Justin Williams, Simon Gagne, Jeff Carter and Mike Richards win a Cup now. Just wait until James van Riemsdyk reaches his full potential and could possibly start dominating us. Brayden Schenn could use his fuel to the fire of being given up on to dominate us. The worst part would be knowing that these trades are pretty recent.
- SuperSchennBros


I don't see how the fans react as a factor. If trading Brayden Schenn for the right player, makes the Flyers better. Then that's all that matters.
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