And I think a fact of life in a Salary Cap environment, is that a team like the Flyers is always going to be up against the Cap. And are always going to have to make some moves to deal with that. If a player has to be moved, then you make a good trade for some good young assets. And that continues your pipeline of young and cheaper talent to fill out the roster. All I know is, and I'm not saying that Subban is going to be that player. But defense is the most important position next to Goaltender. And it's hard to be a Cup winning team without that dynamic two way defenseman such as Doughty, or Duncan Keith. The danger of making that commitment is that he could turn out to be Jay Bouwmeester.
- MJL

Totally agree with you.

Really hope Homer sends an offer sheet for Subban. Those young quality 2-way defenseman are near impossible to come by.

The Matt Carle signing at 5.5M per tells us how much Dman with offensive qualities are valuable and sought-after.

I really liked Carle (no turnover machine comments please) but at that price it's getting ridiculous.


Subban is younger, faster, stronger, better shot, and has more potential. He seems however a bit egotistic and a little too cocky for my taste but the guy is very talented. I think Kimmo and Pronger would do a great job mentoring him if he ever came here.

Richards deserved a ton of credit for that. Shows what a leader he is.
- MJL

He certainly led his face straight into Doan's fists.

Richards deserved a ton of credit for that. Shows what a leader he is.
- MJL

Agree with Dark Side on this.

Totally agree with you.

Really hope Homer sends an offer sheet for Subban. Those young quality 2-way defenseman are near impossible to come by.

The Matt Carle signing at 5.5M per tells us how much Dman with offensive qualities are valuable and sought-after.

I really liked Carle (no turnover machine comments please) but at that price it's getting ridiculous.


Subban is younger, faster, stronger, better shot, and has more potential. He seems however a bit egotistic and a little too cocky for my taste but the guy is very talented. I think Kimmo and Pronger would do a great job mentoring him if he ever came here.
- Chris48

I just don't feel that an Offer Sheet, unless it's going to be for some outrageous contract, is going to be successful. Then you can't trade for him for a year. So if the goal is to acquire a player, it think the best plan is to try and trade for him. If they are insistent on Couturier, then you move on.

Still would like Doan here.

And surprised no one took my bet.

That's the name I use with my "Pennsylvania Family". I'm an undercover Mormon.


Actually, that's my brother.
- Jsaquella

Does he not talk puck online? Just fills out PP forms while at the local McDonald's?

Let's say the Flyers were to work out an offer sheet for PK at 5/$25m. Would Montreal prefer to match or take a trade of a 1 and 3 + Gus?

Let's say the Flyers were to work out an offer sheet for PK at 5/$25m. Would Montreal prefer to match or take a trade of a 1 and 3 + Gus?
- jstross

In my opinion you aren't getting Subban for either deal.

He certainly led his face straight into Doan's fists.
- feelingkettle

Just like Patrice Bergeron in Boston leading his checks with his face.



1:40 mark shows the hit. Weird how Bergeron & Seidenberg are now teammates.

In my opinion you aren't getting Subban for either deal.
- MJL

PK would sign the offer sheet so the Candians would prefer him at 5/$25 than take the 1, 3 and Gus? I'm not sure I would give up much more than that for a player with a high AAV like that unless he's more proven.

PK would sign the offer sheet so the Candians would prefer him at 5/$25 than take the 1, 3 and Gus? I'm not sure I would give up much more than that for a player with a high AAV like that unless he's more proven.
- jstross

I think the Canadiens would match. And I don't think the trade offer that you propose of a 1,3 and Gustafsson, is even close to one they would accept for Subban.

I think the Canadiens would match. And I don't think the trade offer that you propose of a 1,3 and Gustafsson, is even close to one they would accept for Subban.
- MJL

The Canadians 2/$5m offer is a far cry from 5/$25. Someone is going to make them pay up for being cheap. It should be interesting.

The Canadians 2/$5m offer is a far cry from 5/$25. Someone is going to make them pay up for being cheap. It should be interesting.
- jstross

If I was Subban, I would look for something like a 2 year deal worth somewhere between 7 and 8M. I think that would be fair.

I just don't feel that an Offer Sheet, unless it's going to be for some outrageous contract, is going to be successful. Then you can't trade for him for a year. So if the goal is to acquire a player, it think the best plan is to try and trade for him. If they are insistent on Couturier, then you move on.
- MJL

Dreger on TSN reported that MTL/Bergevin was firm on 5.1M for 2 years (2.55M cap hit) for Subban. Same as Del Zotto contract.

If that is actually true (Dreger best insider in my opinion), an offer sheet from philly may do the trick who knows; 5M-5.5 M per for 5-7 years.

Don't know how a trade would work without diminishing our young offensive depth. Homer could propose to MTL: Laughton + 1st rounder+ 2rd rounder and if they don't accept he's sending an offer sheet.

He certainly led his face straight into Doan's fists.
- feelingkettle

what a way to get a 5 minute breather eh, Kettle?!

I'm at the point I'd have a hard time doing B. Schenn for Subban straight up. At this point I'd stand pat unless another reasonable puck moving Dman becomes available.

Dreger on TSN reported that MTL/Bergevin was firm on 5.1M for 2 years (2.55M cap hit) for Subban. Same as Del Zotto contract.

If that is actually true (Dreger best insider in my opinion), an offer sheet from philly may do the trick who knows; 5M-5.5 M per for 5-7 years.

Don't know how a trade would work without diminishing our young offensive depth. Homer could propose to MTL: Laughton + 1st rounder+ 2rd rounder and if they don't accept he's sending an offer sheet.
- Chris48

Bergevin is playing hardball. Good for him. Like I said, I don't believe an Offer Sheet of that value will be successful. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Montreal would match. And I think it will take more then that in a trade.

I'm at the point I'd have a hard time doing B. Schenn for Subban straight up. At this point I'd stand pat unless another reasonable puck moving Dman becomes available.
- jstross

The hardest decision in that scenario is whether Montreal wants me to drive him there or pay for his ticket

Richards deserved a ton of credit for that. Shows what a leader he is.
- MJL

I'd give anybody credit for stepping up for a teammate and having your lunch handed to you.

The hardest decision in that scenario is whether Montreal wants me to drive him there or pay for his ticket
- Jsaquella

Drive him there. Show a little appreciation.

I'd give anybody credit for stepping up for a teammate and having your lunch handed to you.
- 77rams

no way the pens and flyers make a trade, but i would love read in a pens uniform. love how he plays

The hardest decision in that scenario is whether Montreal wants me to drive him there or pay for his ticket
- Jsaquella

Agreed.. Also, we're throwing trade scenarios out there like there wouldn't be any other teams interested. If they do trade him, teams will offer a lot more than Schenn.

If I'm Montreal, I'd be leary about trading a defenseman to the Flyers in a lockout shortened season.. in 94-95 it didn't work out too well for them.. hahah

Bergevin is playing hardball. Good for him. Like I said, I don't believe an Offer Sheet of that value will be successful. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Montreal would match. And I think it will take more then that in a trade.
- MJL

What would you be comfortable trading for him ..... MTL did lose Pacioretty for 1 month.

I'd give anybody credit for stepping up for a teammate and having your lunch handed to you.
- 77rams

pfft he was tired and needed a few minutes off the ice to relax.