I'd do 5 years $25 million in a second. Could be a bargain in a few years.
- DrMidnite

I think to get them not to match you would have to go 7 at 35.

As long as it is a reasonable offer sheet and is not drastically overpaying him. I don't feel it's a smart move to commit a huge amount of money to Subban at this point. So unless it was some outrageous offer, Montreal likely matches. Then that takes away the option of trading for him. So I think if the Flyers truly want Subban, the best course is to try and work out a trade.
- MJL

If Montreal would match the offer.. then why don't they just give him the money he asked for and be done with it?

And remember he is UNSIGNED. He wants 5+ mil a season.. just cause we trade for him doesn't mean he magically forgets and signs for 3 mil a year

You didn't catch heat for saying it, you caught hear for your logic or lack thereof behind it.
- JoeRussomanno

Lack of logic?

It makes perfect sense.

You lose NOTHING with an offer sheet. They can't sign him. Don't want to pay what he wants. You offer him what he wants, and montreal now is forced to do 1 of 2 things.. trade him to you (you can still trade with the team who he signed the offer sheet with right?) or match.

Lack of logic?

It makes perfect sense.

You lose NOTHING with an offer sheet. They can't sign him. Don't want to pay what he wants. You offer him what he wants, and montreal now is forced to do 1 of 2 things.. trade him to you (you can still trade with the team who he signed the offer sheet with right?) or match.
- Flyersgod

We will lose the picks.

Got to watch about half the game at the restaurant last night, watched the rest on the DVR when I got home. The Flyers did what you have to do to a bad team, or at least a team as banged up as Florida-kick the everloving poop out of them.

Would have been nice to see Bryz get the shutout last night. He deserved it. He made quite a few big stops.

Now that D-Day for Laughton's here, I hope he's watching the game with Homer in the box and on a plane to Oshawa tomorrow.
- Jsaquella

amen. he brings very little we can't get from within at this stage of his development. the xtra yr of ELC will likely come in handy.

If Montreal would match the offer.. then why don't they just give him the money he asked for and be done with it?

And remember he is UNSIGNED. He wants 5+ mil a season.. just cause we trade for him doesn't mean he magically forgets and signs for 3 mil a year
- Flyersgod

If Montreal gave him that offer of 5+ year, they would pretty much near the cap ceiling next year with only 17 players signed. They would probably have to buy out another player to get additional salary cap flexibility.

Lack of logic?

It makes perfect sense.

You lose NOTHING with an offer sheet. They can't sign him. Don't want to pay what he wants. You offer him what he wants, and montreal now is forced to do 1 of 2 things.. trade him to you (you can still trade with the team who he signed the offer sheet with right?) or match.
- Flyersgod

Yea but you also said the flyers don't want or need him, something along those lines, and the point was made that it'd be a waste of time.

You didn't catch heat for saying it, you caught hear for your logic or lack thereof behind it.
- JoeRussomanno

Hockey is a business... players are nothing more then assests. As a business you want to gain more assests without taking on any liabilities (in this case losing a player would be the liability, or taking on another one with a large contract etc).

If you have a choice between adding a player via trade and losing an assest and a pick or possibly gaining an assest for nothing, then risk management would tell you to take the latter.

Yea but you also said the flyers don't want or need him, something along those lines, and the point was made that it'd be a waste of time.
- JoeRussomanno

I said they don't need him.

If Montreal would match the offer.. then why don't they just give him the money he asked for and be done with it?

And remember he is UNSIGNED. He wants 5+ mil a season.. just cause we trade for him doesn't mean he magically forgets and signs for 3 mil a year
- Flyersgod

There's a difference between negotiating a contract with a player under your control, and being forced into a contract to keep a player, due to an Offer Sheet.

I'm quite aware that if we trade for him, they have to work out a contract. And if he does want 5M, I'd pass on trading for him.

We will lose the picks.
- DrMidnite

Yeah i screwed up on this... been up since 2 with a crying baby..

We will lose the picks.
- DrMidnite

Yea that too. Forgot about that and this year is a deep draft as they say.

There's a difference between negotiating a contract with a player under your control, and being forced into a contract to keep a player, due to an Offer Sheet.

I'm quite aware that if we trade for him, they have to work out a contract. And if he does want 5M, I'd pass on trading for him.
- MJL

He already said he wants 5m+.

Lack of logic?

It makes perfect sense.

You lose NOTHING with an offer sheet. They can't sign him. Don't want to pay what he wants. You offer him what he wants, and montreal now is forced to do 1 of 2 things.. trade him to you (you can still trade with the team who he signed the offer sheet with right?) or match.
- Flyersgod

Not true. There is Draft pick compensation for obtaining a player through an Offer Sheet.

Yea that too. Forgot about that and this year is a deep draft as they say.
- JoeRussomanno

i can't believe i forgot about it...

He already said he wants 5m+.
- Flyersgod

I've heard that rumored, but I haven't seen where Subban has been quoted as saying that.

I've heard that rumored, but I haven't seen where Subban has been quoted as saying that.
- MJL

When has a player EVER been quoted saying what he wants to be paid?

Hockey is a business... players are nothing more then assests. As a business you want to gain more assests without taking on any liabilities (in this case losing a player would be the liability, or taking on another one with a large contract etc).

If you have a choice between adding a player via trade and losing an assest and a pick or possibly gaining an assest for nothing, then risk management would tell you to take the latter.
- Flyersgod

It's true that its a business but if your logic was also true there'd be a lot more offer sheets than there are.

Hockey is a business... players are nothing more then assests. As a business you want to gain more assests without taking on any liabilities (in this case losing a player would be the liability, or taking on another one with a large contract etc).

If you have a choice between adding a player via trade and losing an assest and a pick or possibly gaining an assest for nothing, then risk management would tell you to take the latter.
- Flyersgod

There is both a loss of draft pick compensation in an Offer Sheet. And the risk of having to drastically overpay and young player, in a Salary Cap environment.

I've been pleasantly suprised by McGinn. I didn't know much about him, but I think he can be an effective role player on a 3rd or 4th line in the NHL. He seems pretty adept at shielding the puck with his body along the boards. I'm hoping he can learn a lot from Knuble, I think he can play a similiar game as he continues to develop.

When has a player EVER been quoted saying what he wants to be paid?
- Flyersgod

You posted that "he already said he wants 5m+"

I've been pleasantly suprised by McGinn. I didn't know much about him, but I think he can be an effective role player on a 3rd or 4th line in the NHL. He seems pretty adept at shielding the puck with his body along the boards. I'm hoping he can learn a lot from Knuble, I think he can play a similiar game as he continues to develop.
- ravishingone

I like McGinn a lot also. He is strong on the puck on the fore check.

There is both a loss of draft pick compensation in an Offer Sheet. And the risk of having to drastically overpay and young player, in a Salary Cap environment.
- MJL

That risk is there whether you get him via trade or offer sheet.

It's true that its a business but if your logic was also true there'd be a lot more offer sheets than there are.
- JoeRussomanno

I bet there are TONS of offer sheets that have been sent around that no one ever found out about.

We normally only hear about the ones that players signed. Weber had a bunch of offer sheets he could have signed...

If Montreal gave him that offer of 5+ year, they would pretty much near the cap ceiling next year with only 17 players signed. They would probably have to buy out another player to get additional salary cap flexibility.
- ravishingone

They're buying out Tomas Kraperle.