San Jose up on Vancouver after playing yesterday...

Fine with laughton decision

This game came down to one thing. Special teams. The energy/effort thing is overblown.

Leighton I thought gave them a chance to climb in this game in the second period. Some nice doorstep saves

Maybe the worst I've seen giroux play...ever? He set up read very nicely but overall, Can't have that crap from the captain. He needs to be setting the tone for these types of difficult games

San Jose up on Vancouver after playing yesterday...

Fine with laughton decision

This game came down to one thing. Special teams. The energy/effort thing is overblown.

Leighton I thought gave them a chance to climb in this game in the second period. Some nice doorstep saves

Maybe the worst I've seen giroux play...ever? He set up read very nicely but overall, Can't have that crap from the captain. He needs to be setting the tone for these types of difficult games
- Just5

The energy effort thing is not overblown. It was a major contributor to the Flyers performance tonight. Along with Special teams.

The energy effort thing is not overblown. It was a major contributor to the Flyers performance tonight. Along with Special teams.
- MJL

Special teams 90%. Effort 10%. Flyers were down 3-1 after 1 and it had nothing to do with energy

The energy effort thing is not overblown. It was a major contributor to the Flyers performance tonight. Along with Special teams.
- MJL

Yeah we get it. They were tired. 5 games, 9 nights, back to back against a team that has been seemingly giving us fits.

SJ played last night, won against Colorado 4-0 and are putting the hurt on VanCity 3-1 right now. Every team is going through it. Energy level isn't an excuse, it's not the flu. You want to be the best team, which is the only reason you should play in the NHL, then you have to find a way to win these games. They didn't. Energy level might be the reason, but thats not any better than not executing on special teams.

the flyers are a buzz kill

Even the dumbest dumb person would know Bryz should have started tonight. This isn't the season to give away wins or easy chances.

The energy effort thing is not overblown. It was a major contributor to the Flyers performance tonight. Along with Special teams.
- MJL

Yep, special teams are terrible. Was suprised last night when Lavy put all 3rd and 4th line players on the PP late in the 3rd against Florida. Obviously he wants to avoid injuries and keep the key guys rested for TB the next day but geez, you need to practice
and improve the weakness of your team.

Special teams 90%. Effort 10%. Flyers were down 3-1 after 1 and it had nothing to do with energy
- Just5

I agree that Special teams were a big factor. The Bolts scored on their PP's and the Flyers didn't. But there was still 2 periods of Hockey to go. So unless you feel that TB is a defensive juggernaut capable of shutting teams down. I think the Flyers being out of gas was a big factor in not being able to get back in the game. When I see Wayne Simmonds not battling along the wall like he normally does, that's a tell tale sign. He was not himself tonight.

Yeah we get it. They were tired. 5 games, 9 nights, back to back against a team that has been seemingly giving us fits.

SJ played last night, won against Colorado 4-0 and are putting the hurt on VanCity 3-1 right now. Every team is going through it. Energy level isn't an excuse, it's not the flu. You want to be the best team, which is the only reason you should play in the NHL, then you have to find a way to win these games. They didn't. Energy level might be the reason, but thats not any better than not executing on special teams.
- GirouxForTheShow

Are you watching that game? You have to look at the circumstances of every game, not just look at the score and think that everything is the same. Once the Flyers got down in the first period. Tampa bay sat back in a 1-2-2, and the Flyers did not have the energy to chip pucks in and hunt them down on the forecheck to get back in the game. And Special teams continued to hurt them.

Even the dumbest dumb person would know Bryz should have started tonight. This isn't the season to give away wins or easy chances.
- SuperSchennBros

I'd rather have a rested Bryzgalov for Tuesday night against the Rags. I have no problem with starting Leighton tonight.

they were so good against the panthers, there are certain teams that the flyers just cant beat?

A bit worried about Giroux

Our best player along with Simmer and Bryz since the season started but he isn't performing like last year; taking games over, burning Dman with his speed, passing like a blind magician. Six games in and I still didn't notice that much of a progression in his play since the opener.

0 hits, 0 shots tonight, his speed and precision are off. I hope it's only rust or the lack of chemistry with linemates.....the condensed schedule doesnt help either.
- Chris48

He looks like the Roo of the Debs series last year. Post-wrist injury. Perhaps he is not fully healed from the wrist surgery.

Flyers beat a Rangers team coming off an OT game the previous night, and that has itself gotten off to a slow start. They played desperate to avoid going 0-4. Then they played a bad team. Otherwise, the early trend line is that they are not very competitive against good teams.

Are you watching that game? You have to look at the circumstances of every game, not just look at the score and think that everything is the same. Once the Flyers got down in the first period. Tampa bay sat back in a 1-2-2, and the Flyers did not have the energy to chip pucks in and hunt them down on the forecheck to get back in the game. And Special teams continued to hurt them.
- MJL

Actually I have watched both flyers and both SJ games, but regardless, yes once the Flyers were down 3-1 they played a laid back neutral zone clogging game. But I don't see how that changes my point. You want to be the best team, well the best team wins those games. The best teams score on a 4 minute power play when you're up 1-0 EARLY in a game after a gift of a goal. Early meaning that fatigue hasn't set in all the way yet. You know you played last night, you capitalize on those chances when you have the chance early, so that you have the opportunity to sit back in that 1-2-2 and clog the neutral zone.

Again, I see what your saying. The fatigue is a factor, it's not overblown, its legitimately noticeable. but its not an excuse and a "we will get them next time" mindset will get them into a 15-9th seed on the outside looking in.

This could all be analyzed till we turn into dust.

The Flyers as it stands are just not one of the elite teams in the league. I've accepted this. Changes need to be made. You never like to see a lack of effort, and that is the troubling part but it is what it is.

Giroux, Voracek and Schenn have to show more.

Actually I have watched both flyers and both SJ games, but regardless, yes once the Flyers were down 3-1 they played a laid back neutral zone clogging game. But I don't see how that changes my point. You want to be the best team, well the best team wins those games. The best teams score on a 4 minute power play when you're up 1-0 EARLY in a game after a gift of a goal. Early meaning that fatigue hasn't set in all the way yet. You know you played last night, you capitalize on those chances when you have the chance early, so that you have the opportunity to sit back in that 1-2-2 and clog the neutral zone.

Again, I see what your saying. The fatigue is a factor, it's not overblown, its legitimately noticeable. but its not an excuse and a "we will get them next time" mindset will get them into a 15-9th seed on the outside looking in.
- GirouxForTheShow

The best teams don't always win those games. We clearly saw when the Flyers played the Rangers last week, that the Rangers lacked energy. Every team has games like this, where the schedule works against you. The Flyers getting down early, not capitalizing on their chances, all contributed. I think a better rested Flyers team had a much better chance to get back in that game. And I think if they played the Bolts in a different situation, we'd see a much different game.

This could all be analyzed till we turn into dust.

The Flyers as it stands are just not one of the elite teams in the league. I've accepted this. Changes need to be made. You never like to see a lack of effort, and that is the troubling part but it is what it is.

Giroux, Voracek and Schenn have to show more.
- flyer_nutter

What changes would you suggest? These are a bunch of young guys. Kimmo is old and coming off back surgery. No Meszy. With the new CBA, the days of cheating by adding long term contracts with $1 tails are over. Its time to suck it up and build with a 3-4 year plan, through the draft, patiently seeing what we have before making knee jerk trades. Lets at least get a nice high pick. I would rather they finish low than sneak into playoffs and get bounced in 4-5.

nobody is happy with the way the team has started. 6 games in 9 days after a lockout teams wil respon differently. We all agree the team has been under par this pre-season which is the start of the season. As I said earlier 2 of the last 3 so lets see were the team is in a few weeks.

The best teams don't always win those games. We clearly saw when the Flyers played the Rangers last week, that the Rangers lacked energy. Every team has games like this, where the schedule works against you. The Flyers getting down early, not capitalizing on their chances, all contributed. I think a better rested Flyers team had a much better chance to get back in that game. And I think if they played the Bolts in a different situation, we'd see a much different game.
- MJL

Maybe not always, but they still find ways to keep themselves in it. Although, I don't see the Rangers as one of the best teams. I think they might be on par with us, I think a lot of their team overachieved last year. And yet, they still managed to keep it close until the end. The better-best teams find ways to do that. We didn't here. So keep coming with your rhetoric and FACTS my friend, but that's all she wrote.

The best teams don't always win those games. We clearly saw when the Flyers played the Rangers last week, that the Rangers lacked energy. Every team has games like this, where the schedule works against you. The Flyers getting down early, not capitalizing on their chances, all contributed. I think a better rested Flyers team had a much better chance to get back in that game. And I think if they played the Bolts in a different situation, we'd see a much different game.
- MJL

Were all fans here, but there is a reason the team's record is what it is.

They need changes in the lineup.

What changes would you suggest? These are a bunch of young guys. Kimmo is old and coming off back surgery. No Meszy. With the new CBA, the days of cheating by adding long term contracts with $1 tails are over. Its time to suck it up and build with a 3-4 year plan, through the draft, patiently seeing what we have before making knee jerk trades. Lets at least get a nice high pick. I would rather they finish low than sneak into playoffs and get bounced in 4-5.
- PT21

Patience is the key. Any move that uses high value assets must be made with the long term future of the team in mind. We all know they're missing a defenseman, and the young players have growing to do. So let's enjoy the ride and see what happens.

Were all fans here, but there is a reason the team's record is what it is.

They need changes in the lineup.
- flyer_nutter

I don't believe the teams current record accurately reflects the quality of the team. I think they're better then that. And I think they'll show over the course of the Season that they are. The biggest hole is that they need a top puck moving defenseman. They have a number of young players that need to grow and improve. We knew that going in. Nothing has changed. Saying they need wholesale changes would be a colossal overreaction.

Little discipline. That's what Im seeing. Too many penalties being taken all around. When a team has a guy like Stamkos on the PP Simmonds has to know he cant pull that crap right in front of the ref. D guys cant be taking penalties the way they have. It runs down the teams stamina. You give up a break away then you have faith in the goalie to stop it. Don't hook the guy because you blew your coverage.

I want to smack some sense into each and every one of these guys before the next game. Well everyone except for Bryz and Read. I'll give McGinn and Sestito a pass too. Those guys have made some nice strides.

Maybe not always, but they still find ways to keep themselves in it. Although, I don't see the Rangers as one of the best teams. I think they might be on par with us, I think a lot of their team overachieved last year. And yet, they still managed to keep it close until the end. The better-best teams find ways to do that. We didn't here. So keep coming with your rhetoric and FACTS my friend, but that's all she wrote.
- GirouxForTheShow

It is not rhetoric to state that top teams during the course of the Season, lose games to lesser teams and play like the Flyers did tonight. That's a fact. They do not always find ways to do that. I do see the Rangers as one of the best teams. You'll find the Flyers will when faced with the same situation as they were tonight, will respond with a better effort then they did tonight, on some occasions. Every team, regardless of how good they are, has games like this.

What changes would you suggest? These are a bunch of young guys. Kimmo is old and coming off back surgery. No Meszy. With the new CBA, the days of cheating by adding long term contracts with $1 tails are over. Its time to suck it up and build with a 3-4 year plan, through the draft, patiently seeing what we have before making knee jerk trades. Lets at least get a nice high pick. I would rather they finish low than sneak into playoffs and get bounced in 4-5.
- PT21

Right now? Jack poop. Only move I'd make is a package for Subban that does not include Coots. Lead with Schenn, and fill it with picks or Voracek/Read. Id personally keep Read instead of Voracek anyway.

Let the kids play, and see how Bryzgalov does over the rest of the season. Make moves in the summer. If the team cannot land Subban I make a hard run at the #1 pick for Jones. Try to re-sign Kimmo for a year. I would do some other things to change the mix up front but those would be my big moves.

Were all fans here, but there is a reason the team's record is what it is.

They need changes in the lineup.
- flyer_nutter

WAY TOO EARLY TO PANIC.

Sorry, but I had to shout that.