Right now? Jack poop. Only move I'd make is a package for Subban that does not include Coots. Lead with Schenn, and fill it with picks or Voracek/Read. Id personally keep Read instead of Voracek anyway.

Let the kids play, and see how Bryzgalov does over the rest of the season. Make moves in the summer. If the team cannot land Subban I make a hard run at the #1 pick for Jones. Try to re-sign Kimmo for a year. I would do some other things to change the mix up front but those would be my big moves.
- flyer_nutter

I'd resign Kimo of a 2 year if the cap hit was reasonable.

Right now? Jack poop. Only move I'd make is a package for Subban that does not include Coots. Lead with Schenn, and fill it with picks or Voracek/Read. Id personally keep Read instead of Voracek anyway.

Let the kids play, and see how Bryzgalov does over the rest of the season. Make moves in the summer. If the team cannot land Subban I make a hard run at the #1 pick for Jones. Try to re-sign Kimmo for a year. I would do some other things to change the mix up front but those would be my big moves.
- flyer_nutter

Schenn and a pick for Subban. Not a 1st btw. That I'm ok with.

Schenn AND Jake or Read? That's insanity.

WAY TOO EARLY TO PANIC.

Sorry, but I had to shout that.
- jstross

Nobody is panicking.

I didnt have high expectations for this season. I wanted to just let the kids grow. Identify who you still want to build around and bring in the much needed talent on the back end.

Its a weird mix of guys to me. Bryzgalov isnt super young either...

I'd resign Kimo of a 2 year if the cap hit was reasonable.
- jstross

It would have to be a one year deal if it was me.

It would have to be a one year deal if it was me.
- MJL

Agreed. Hes already looked gas'ed in some of these games. Maybe its the schedule... but theres no way I offer multiple years at this stage.

On an OT topic, I just read the Rock is the new Heavyweight Champion!

Were all fans here, but there is a reason the team's record is what it is.

They need changes in the lineup.
- flyer_nutter

Instead of changes, why not keep things the same for awhile and let younger players develop. As soon as they hit a rough patch, the Flyers immediately start changing everything.

I'm OK with being aggressive in management. Hell, you need a GM with some guts to win. But at the same time, sometimes patience is needed. Every year there's been big changes.

Young players need time to grow into their roles. Neither Couturier or Bryaden Schenn were alive when Mike Knuble was drafted in 1991. Both are being asked to carry huge roles. Claude Giroux is being asked to be the team's captain. Guys like Voracek and Simmons are asked to take on bigger jobs, too and neither is 25 yet.

There are moves that could make sense, for sure. It'd be great if they could land a guy like Subban, because adding him would not just be a move for the short term.

This team has under performed. Regardless of what expectations were-and mine were that they'd be a 5-8 seed in the East-they have quite a few talented players. 6 games, coming after a week long camp and zero pre-season games just isn't enough for me to run screaming for changes.

Agreed. Hes already looked gas'ed in some of these games. Maybe its the schedule... but theres no way I offer multiple years at this stage.
- hereticpride

The bigger concern to me is that a two year deal would be an over 35 deal and count against the cap in year two, regardless of whether Timonen was playing in the NHL, Europe or retired

Schenn and a pick for Subban. Not a 1st btw. That I'm ok with.

Schenn AND Jake or Read? That's insanity.
- hereticpride

I dont know if Schenn and a first would get it done. I rather keep the pick away.

The thing is, even with all of Subban's questions. He has really shown flashes of dominance, and when markov is down is Montreal's best d-man. On a team that really is poop aside from Price.

Schenn at this point has a lot of hype, a great world juniors, and a pretty inconsistent NHL career. Along with injury question marks. I like Schenn and would love to see him develop here, but if the team isnt willing to trade Coots, its Schenn's ass out the door imo.

The bigger concern to me is that a two year deal would be an over 35 deal and count against the cap in year two, regardless of whether Timonen was playing in the NHL, Europe or retired
- Jsaquella

Excellent point. Honestly unless we strike out on D men in the offseason I think Im ready to part ways with him. He would have to be willing to stay on the cheap... But I kind of get the feeling this will be it for him, and that's by his own choice too.

Instead of changes, why not keep things the same for awhile and let younger players develop. As soon as they hit a rough patch, the Flyers immediately start changing everything.

I'm OK with being aggressive in management. Hell, you need a GM with some guts to win. But at the same time, sometimes patience is needed. Every year there's been big changes.

Young players need time to grow into their roles. Neither Couturier or Bryaden Schenn were alive when Mike Knuble was drafted in 1991. Both are being asked to carry huge roles. Claude Giroux is being asked to be the team's captain. Guys like Voracek and Simmons are asked to take on bigger jobs, too and neither is 25 yet.

There are moves that could make sense, for sure. It'd be great if they could land a guy like Subban, because adding him would not just be a move for the short term.

This team has under performed. Regardless of what expectations were-and mine were that they'd be a 5-8 seed in the East-they have quite a few talented players. 6 games, coming after a week long camp and zero pre-season games just isn't enough for me to run screaming for changes.
- Jsaquella

No changes other than a possible trade for Subban. Nothing this season.

In the off-season I make changes. Keep Coots, Giroux, Luke Schenn, Simmonds and Hartnell. Other than that I look at making bigger changes.

I dont know if Schenn and a first would get it done. I rather keep the pick away.

The thing is, even with all of Subban's questions. He has really shown flashes of dominance, and when markov is down is Montreal's best d-man. On a team that really is poop aside from Price.

Schenn at this point has a lot of hype, a great world juniors, and a pretty inconsistent NHL career. Along with injury question marks. I like Schenn and would love to see him develop here, but if the team isnt willing to trade Coots, its Schenn's ass out the door imo.
- flyer_nutter

Brayden Schenn hasn't even played a full NHL Season yet. While I agree that he has been inconsistent. That's not uncommon for a young player. To talk and label the player in terms of a career, is premature. I would trade B Schenn for Subban. But it's not because I don't think he's going to be a very good player.

Excellent point. Honestly unless we strike out on D men in the offseason I think Im ready to part ways with him. He would have to be willing to stay on the cheap... But I kind of get the feeling this will be it for him, and that's by his own choice too.
- hereticpride

There's no way I got for more than one year, for around half of what he's getting this year in cap hit-assuming he'd be willing to stay.

No changes other than a possible trade for Subban. Nothing this season.

In the off-season I make changes. Keep Coots, Giroux, Luke Schenn, Simmonds and Hartnell. Other than that I look at making bigger changes.
- flyer_nutter

Out of curiosity why the attachment to Simmonds over a guy like.... lets say Read?

Brayden Schenn hasn't even played a full NHL Season yet. While I agree that he has been inconsistent. That's not uncommon for a young player. To talk and label the player in terms of a career, is premature. I would trade B Schenn for Subban. But it's not because I don't think he's going to be a very good player.
- MJL

What you are trying to get at here is a debate on me apparently saying Schenn sucks ass and you saying he does not?

Sorry not wasting my time.

Out of curiosity why the attachment to Simmonds over a guy like.... lets say Read?
- hereticpride

I think in a 7 game grind for a Stanley Cup a guy like Simmonds will do more than a guy like Read.

I like Read, would love to see the team keep him but his contract demands kind of make me wonder. I loved Voracek last season, but he needs to prove himself.

I think in a 7 game grind for a Stanley Cup a guy like Simmonds will do more than a guy like Read.

I like Read, would love to see the team keep him but his contract demands kind of make me wonder. I loved Voracek last season, but he needs to prove himself.
- flyer_nutter

I like both Read and Simmonds. They both have their strengths. And Simmonds to this point in the Season, has been their most consistent forward. He's strong on the puck and in front of the net. That is an important element to have on a team. But Read is a lot of ways is a better overall player. Has much better hands, speed. And can play in all situations. And can play on any line.

No changes other than a possible trade for Subban. Nothing this season.

In the off-season I make changes. Keep Coots, Giroux, Luke Schenn, Simmonds and Hartnell. Other than that I look at making bigger changes.
- flyer_nutter

To me, it seems short sighted to give up on guys between 21-25 who have shown that they can be, at worst, solid NHLers and who have the potential to be more.

I'd like PK Subban as much as anyone. I'd also be willing to pay a fairly high price for him. But I'm not gutting the entirety of the forward depth to add him. There's other options.

To me, it seems short sighted to give up on guys between 21-25 who have shown that they can be, at worst, solid NHLers and who have the potential to be more.

I'd like PK Subban as much as anyone. I'd also be willing to pay a fairly high price for him. But I'm not gutting the entirety of the forward depth to add him. There's other options.
- Jsaquella

I'd be willing to give up some of that forward depth because you can usually find decent forwards in the FA class. Star d-men, or guys with that potential not so much.

Just wondering though, what other options?

Out of curiosity why the attachment to Simmonds over a guy like.... lets say Read?
- hereticpride

Simmonds much better.

I'd be willing to give up some of that forward depth because you can usually find decent forwards in the FA class. Star d-men, or guys with that potential not so much.

Just wondering though, what other options?
- flyer_nutter

Giving up some of the forward depth is fine. Trading Brayden Schenn & Voracek or Read or Simmonds really depletes that depth.

As for other options, the Blues have two RFAs in the summer that will be seeking significant raises in Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk. They also have Ian Cole and Kris Russell who will be due new contracts. Bogosian will be a RFA in July. Phoenix is facing raises for Rundblad and Oliver Ekman-Larsson. There's options out there besides Subban.

Giving up some of the forward depth is fine. Trading Brayden Schenn & Voracek or Read or Simmonds really depletes that depth.

As for other options, the Blues have two RFAs in the summer that will be seeking significant raises in Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk. Bogosian will be a RFA in July. They also have Ian Cole and Kris Russell who will be due new contracts. Phoenix is facing raises for Rundblad and Oliver Ekman-Larsson. There's options out there besides Subban.
- Jsaquella

It's just about impossible to predict who is going to be available. The landscape is ever changing. Holmgren has proven that he can find ways to acquire quality defenseman.

It's just about impossible to predict who is going to be available. The landscape is ever changing. Holmgren has proven that he can find ways to acquire quality defenseman.
- MJL

I didn't even bother getting into the possible compliance buyouts. I just hate locking into one guy...all we hear is PK, PK PK....yeah, he'd be a great addition, but there's others out there.

alright we're back on track to get jones

San Jose up on Vancouver after playing yesterday...

Fine with laughton decision

This game came down to one thing. Special teams. The energy/effort thing is overblown.

Leighton I thought gave them a chance to climb in this game in the second period. Some nice doorstep saves

Maybe the worst I've seen giroux play...ever? He set up read very nicely but overall, Can't have that crap from the captain. He needs to be setting the tone for these types of difficult games
- Just5

should we trade giroux like we traded carter and richards
maybe he'll win a cup on his new team