That'll shock me if he signed for that. What was the reason for the holdout if that's the case? If this is the term can you imagine how low the "insulting" offer was?
- canadianpenfan

Maybe he just wanted to get back to playing. He's still young and two years is plenty time for him to improve, up the ante on negotiations and clear the air about some if the questions surrounding his character. A small pr victory now could be a huge payday later.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

So P.K. Subban re-ups with MTL, two years, $2M in Year 1 and $3.75M in Year 2 for $2.875M AAV.
- PLindbergh31

flyers need to learn to work deals like that, for players like that

That'll shock me if he signed for that. What was the reason for the holdout if that's the case? If this is the term can you imagine how low the "insulting" offer was?
- canadianpenfan

It's true. Bob M just tweeted it. I don't get it. Seeing these terms, I'm thinking an offer sheet may have worked.

flyers need to learn to work deals like that, for players like that
- LJF

The staggering thing is, when you look around the league, MDZ and Subban really took a hit in the wallet.

A lot of guys got 4-6 years with #4mm+ cap hits.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

So P.K. Subban re-ups with MTL, two years, $2M in Year 1 and $3.75M in Year 2 for $2.875M AAV.
- PLindbergh31

PK is a female dog for taking that deal shoulda signed an offer sheet an facked over Mtl.

The staggering thing is, when you look around the league, MDZ and Subban really took a hit in the wallet.

A lot of guys got 4-6 years with #4mm+ cap hits.
- Jsaquella

Yep. I think Subban is a better player than Del Zotto, by a decent margin, too.

PK is a female dog for taking that deal shoulda signed an offer sheet an facked over Mtl.
- Flyers4Life88

Hard for him to sign an offer sheet when he wasn't offered any.

The staggering thing is, when you look around the league, MDZ and Subban really took a hit in the wallet.

A lot of guys got 4-6 years with #4mm+ cap hits.
- Jsaquella

Do you compare them as players? I think Subban will be head and shoulders better in 2 years.

Hard for him to sign an offer sheet when he wasn't offered any.
- PLindbergh31

well wouldnt/shouldnt his agent have contacted teams saying there were accepting proposals?

Do you compare them as players? I think Subban will be head and shoulders better in 2 years.
- canadianpenfan

I do, too. Subban is a much more complete player and I feel he has a higher ceiling than MDZ.


The interesting thing will be when this deal is done. Does Subban hold the Habs hostage after a tough negotiation that they pretty clearly won?

well wouldnt/shouldnt his agent have contacted teams saying there were accepting proposals?
- Flyers4Life88

probably some backroom deal the owners made to stop jacking up player salaries...

They probably all agreed to never do it again.

Hard for him to sign an offer sheet when he wasn't offered any.
- PLindbergh31

makes u think, would 5 years at 4.25 (4.5)M have got em out of Mtl?

probably some backroom deal the owners made to stop jacking up player salaries...

They probably all agreed to never do it again.
- Flyersgod

that sounds like something theyd actually do, good point...

I do, too. Subban is a much more complete player and I feel he has a higher ceiling than MDZ
- Jsaquella

Maybe it's a sign of the new CBA. Shero should offer Letang 5/20 before inflation kicks in again

that sounds like something theyd actually do, good point...
- Flyers4Life88

The owners have to save themselves from themselves... so it would make sense...

makes u think, would 5 years at 4.25 (4.5)M have got em out of Mtl?
- Flyers4Life88

Who knows. Probably not. But if Montreal got wind of a team extending an offer sheet, it may have lead to a sign and trade.

I do, too. Subban is a much more complete player and I feel he has a higher ceiling than MDZ.


The interesting thing will be when this deal is done. Does Subban hold the Habs hostage after a tough negotiation that they pretty clearly won?
- Jsaquella

I think the one thing this contract tells me is that Subban will be out of Montreal after 2 years.

Maybe it's a sign of the new CBA. Shero should offer Letang 5/20 before inflation kicks in again
- canadianpenfan

The odd thing is, the reported deal seems to violate the new CBA terms for variance. Deals are not supposed to be able to be more or less than 35% from one year to another and no one year can be more than 50% less than the highest salaried year.

Maybe it's a sign of the new CBA. Shero should offer Letang 5/20 before inflation kicks in again
- canadianpenfan

Good luck with that... i hate Letang.. but i'd love to have him.

Subban has a great deal of talent. But Talent alone doesn't make a great defender.

His offensive side of the game is above average... but defensive side still needs work. He is young... so if he has his head on right he could be something special down the road.

Right now? He's just another dman with potential, albeit young and offensively gifted.

Good luck with that... i hate Letang.. but i'd love to have him.

Subban has a great deal of talent. But Talent alone doesn't make a great defender.

His offensive side of the game is above average... but defensive side still needs work. He is young... so if he has his head on right he could be something special down the road.

Right now? He's just another dman with potential, albeit young and offensively gifted.
- Flyersgod

Subban has averaged 37 points a season the last two years as a 21 and 22 year old. He's a very good player right now, with a very high ceiling. Maturity is the only concern with him.

ok so now back to the Flyers, what the hell is wrong with these guys? Did they forget how to play specials teams?

The odd thing is, the reported deal seems to violate the new CBA terms for variance. Deals are not supposed to be able to be more or less than 35% from one year to another and no one year can be more than 50% less than the highest salaried year.
- Jsaquella

Subban has averaged 37 points a season the last two years as a 21 and 22 year old. He's a very good player right now, with a very high ceiling. Maturity is the only concern with him.
- PLindbergh31

That really is the lone concern. Still worth the risk to me.

Hell, it's just possible he really wanted to stay a Canadien. Bergevin got a great value for the short term, but I suspect if Subban continues to progress in his current career arc, his next deal will carry a $6 or even $7mm cap hit

Subban has averaged 37 points a season the last two years as a 21 and 22 year old. He's a very good player right now, with a very high ceiling. Maturity is the only concern with him.
- PLindbergh31

He's not a bad player by any stretch. 37 points a year doesn't impress me. No matter how old is he.

His offensive game is nice.. but he's also playing on a montreal team that racks up points on the power play year in and year out.

edit: 32 points on the power play in 2 years...

- canadianpenfan

I've seen a few other raise the question on twitter, so I'll monitor the responses.