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ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:10 PM ET
The possibilty of a deal with the Coyotes seems to be overlooked. They have a ton of good young defensemen, and now that salary can be traded, it makes it seem more likely that the Flyers could go after a guy like Yandle...although I suspect that Phoenix will demand a premium
- Jsaquella


What about a guy like Rundblad? Was pretty highly touted, and was part of the Turris trade I believe. He can't seem to get out of the AHL. I doubt they would move Gormley. I just think the best route for the Flyers is to identify a guy who can turn into a top pairing d-man in a few years, but can still give decent minutes now on the third pairing.

What are your thoughts on Ghost? I read he is supposed to turn pro after the collegiate season. I could see him here contributing in two years and maybe a spot call-up next year.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:12 PM ET
bob looks better than bryzgalov this season
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 28 @ 9:12 PM ET
What about a guy like Rundblad? Was pretty highly touted, and was part of the Turris trade I believe. He can't seem to get out of the AHL. I doubt they would move Gormley. I just think the best route for the Flyers is to identify a guy who can turn into a top pairing d-man in a few years, but can still give decent minutes now on the third pairing.

What are your thoughts on Ghost? I read he is supposed to turn pro after the collegiate season. I could see him here contributing in two years and maybe a spot call-up next year.

- ravishingone

A big part of this whole young d-man thing is to me is how well will Bryzgalov be holding up by the time such d-man is really ready to contribute.

How I would kill for OEL.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 28 @ 9:13 PM ET
That talk can be put to bed. Subban agreed to a deal with Montreal.
- PLindbergh31


2/$5.75m.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:14 PM ET
Except you're using stats in such a limited way, it really doesn't help your point.

If you just look at +20 vs +9, sure, +20 is better. But when you actually dig deeper you see different.

Del Zotto was +20, while averaging 22:26 minutes a night on a good team that had a +39 goal differential.

Subban was +9 on a bad team, playing 24:18 minutes a night. His team's goal differential was -14.

Subban's advanced stats, such as Corsi & Fenwick show that his overall game was superior to Del Zotto, especially when he carried a much heavier load in key areas like quality of competiton faced and zone starts.

- Jsaquella

subban projects as a future norris trophy candidate. don't see that for del zotto.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:14 PM ET
What about a guy like Rundblad? Was pretty highly touted, and was part of the Turris trade I believe. He can't seem to get out of the AHL. I doubt they would move Gormley. I just think the best route for the Flyers is to identify a guy who can turn into a top pairing d-man in a few years, but can still give decent minutes now on the third pairing.

What are your thoughts on Ghost? I read he is supposed to turn pro after the collegiate season. I could see him here contributing in two years and maybe a spot call-up next year.

- ravishingone


I've watched a few of his games for Union when NBC Sportsnet had College games on. He looks tiny, but seems to be a good skater with a good feel for the game. Definitely has skill.

Rundblad is intriguing. He's bounced around now, but the skill set is still there. My guess is, if it comes down to money in Phoenix-either with the NHL or Jamison owning the team, they'd prefer to move Yandle. I think OEL is their untouchable, but that's at a guess. I haven't watched a ton of Coyotes games this "season"
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 28 @ 9:14 PM ET
It's a discussion board. I come here to discuss hockey, among other things, like your spelling issue wile defacing bridges down the shore
- Jsaquella

No you didn't
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jan 28 @ 9:15 PM ET
I recall us discussing Nurse, Poluck, Domi, Rychel, Hartman & McCoshen.

I also recall discussing Mantha with somebody, but it wasn't OB-possibly one of his CHL guru guys on twitter

- Jsaquella

ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:15 PM ET
It's been called a pretty deep draft. Same goes for next year's.

OB18 follows juniors more closely than I do, but he's mentioned quite a few names on that list in our conversations

- Jsaquella


Plenty to be impressed with but to just pick one I'd say Josh Morrissey, D, Prince Albert but a goalie to keep an eye on is Zach Fucale, G, Halifax who has started from the moment he arrived last year as a 16 year old & is now the only goalie in the QMJHL history to start his career with back to back 30 win seasons.

But it all means nothing if the Flyers don't exercise patience in any draft picks development
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 28 @ 9:15 PM ET
It's a discussion board. I come here to discuss hockey, among other things, like your spelling issue wile defacing bridges down the shore
- Jsaquella


OSSI VAANANENENENENEN IS DOG!
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 28 @ 9:16 PM ET
bob looks better than bryzgalov this season
- 2Real

Sir, you'll have to hold that thought. We're busy killing Michael Leighton and 18 other guys in here today.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:16 PM ET
subban projects as a future norris trophy candidate. don't see that for del zotto.
- isaiah520


Agreed. MDZ does what he does pretty well, but he always felt to me like real solid 2nd pair guy, who could be used on the 1st PP unit.

I;d prefer Subban, but I'd be happy if they could get MDZ, too.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:17 PM ET
Sir, you'll have to hold that thought. We're busy killing Michael Leighton and 18 other guys in here today.
- Flyskippy

why are we skilling leighton again? kane already did it in the finals a few years back
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:17 PM ET
Some interesting prospects



http://nhl.si.com/2013/01...s/?sct=hp_wr_a4&eref=sihp

- KINGKENZO


From what I've noticed & been told it's 60 deep easy of really solid depth & 1st round quality type players.

I also notice this site has a few players ranked higher then ISS who I'd follow before Sports Illustrated for prospects

http://www.isshockey.com/
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:17 PM ET
No you didn't
- BulliesPhan87


He didn;t laugh at my OOZY IS GOOD joke
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 28 @ 9:17 PM ET
Plenty to be impressed with but to just pick one I'd say Josh Morrissey, D, Prince Albert but a goalie to keep an eye on is Zach Fucale, G, Halifax who has started from the moment he arrived last year as a 16 year old & is now the only goalie in the QMJHL history to start his career with back to back 30 win seasons.

But it all means nothing if the Flyers don't exercise patience in any draft picks development

- ob18

Well, if the fans have no patience because the team has no patience because their fans have no patience... who's to blame?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 28 @ 9:18 PM ET
why are we skilling leighton again? kane already did it in the finals a few years back
- 2Real

He's a zombie. He came back.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:18 PM ET
Plenty to be impressed with but to just pick one I'd say Josh Morrissey, D, Prince Albert but a goalie to keep an eye on is Zach Fucale, G, Halifax who has started from the moment he arrived last year as a 16 year old & is now the only goalie in the QMJHL history to start his career with back to back 30 win seasons.

But it all means nothing if the Flyers don't exercise patience in any draft picks development

- ob18


I forgot we talked about Fucale, too. Jesus, that was only a few days ago, too, wasn't it?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 28 @ 9:18 PM ET
He didn;t laugh at my OOZY IS GOOD joke
- Jsaquella

I did - but I believe I hit my "three LOLheads a day" quota already.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:18 PM ET
Well, if the fans have no patience because the team has no patience because their fans have no patience... who's to blame?
- Flyskippy


Michael Leighton
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:18 PM ET
He's a zombie. He came back.
- Flyskippy

oh poop someone get the shotgun
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:19 PM ET
I did - but I believe I hit my "three LOLheads a day" quota already.
- Flyskippy


Good to see you're rationing in our nation's time of woe
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 28 @ 9:19 PM ET
Michael Leighton
- Jsaquella

nah why don't we be complete bumholes and blame timonen
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:19 PM ET
nah why don't we be complete bumholes and blame timonen
- 2Real


flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jan 28 @ 9:21 PM ET
I forgot we talked about Fucale, too. Jesus, that was only a few days ago, too, wasn't it?
- Jsaquella


You think there is a chance in hell the Flyers move up to draft Jones?

Looking around the league the options for top level D are slim. Im not too high on Yandle personally.
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