Not sure if this is a real question but i'm not falling for it. Must backread first to make sure...
- canadianpenfan

I wouldn't advise that.

I understand the guy's passion for wanting to win now - but as you said that should have been back when he had Lindros and Leclair and the Minnesota line for the PK/checking. He needed Clarke to bolster the D so the goalies would not be left out to dry like laundry on a line in winter.
- Flyskippy

If they would of had D, they would of won a cup or two.. oh what might have been

Never put together that EW and Raul Ibanez are twins until now.
- The_Universe

EW can actually reach third base with a throw from left field. RI cannot.

I understand the guy's passion for wanting to win now - but as you said that should have been back when he had Lindros and Leclair and the Minnesota line for the PK/checking. He needed Clarke to bolster the D so the goalies would not be left out to dry like laundry on a line in winter.
- Flyskippy

That's the thing, Clarke got backed unconditionally, and we know it was because Clarke and snider had such a special relationship. Holmgren wasn't Snider's first choice for the job and he seems to be more "involved" now

I wouldn't advise that.
- Jsaquella

Seconded. I skipped a LOT in my backread.

If it doesnt look like we are getting the first overall pick.. snyder should buy the team seth jones plays for and give him mono..

I am happy that Snider is hell bent on winning, at least he does not stand pat. I know that he can rush things but his passion for winning is something I like as an owner.
- bigmookalookie

I like the passion, but when it's misguided passion can lead to a crazy female dog knowing where you live and leaving dead animals on the steps

I wouldn't advise that.
- Jsaquella

I really wish I would have seen this 5 minutes ago.

That's the thing, Clarke got backed unconditionally, and we know it was because Clarke and snider had such a special relationship. Holmgren wasn't Snider's first choice for the job and he seems to be more "involved" now
- Jsaquella

Still - I am thankful CC said, "No." Homer earned the benefit of Mr. Snider keeping his hands off with the way he turned around the team after TSTSNBN.

The unexpected loss of Pronger can't be understated. The team was being built with him as an absolute central cog, and who they expected to still play at a high level for a couple more years at least. He had like 12 points in those 13 games he played last year. I know it isn't an excuse and all that for the current play, but when analyzing why the team has a big hole back there, the reason is obvious. The powers that be did go out and got what they needed, but he's gone now. I don't doubt Holmgren is looking around for something either, but that loss really really hurts
- eayost

Good points. You just don't recover from that overnight. Let's see how Detroit does not having that rock back at the blueline every game.

Seconded. I skipped a LOT in my backread.
- Flyskippy

I skipped all my posts and most of Bill's.

I really wish I would have seen this 5 minutes ago.
- canadianpenfan

Sorry. I was eating my lunch. Nice piece of chicken and some red beans and rice.

So if management heads were to roll, do you start with Homer or Lavi?
I guess I think either getting fired is a mistake, but when people say major moves wil be made, that is what I envision.

That's the thing, Clarke got backed unconditionally, and we know it was because Clarke and snider had such a special relationship. Holmgren wasn't Snider's first choice for the job and he seems to be more "involved" now
- Jsaquella

can you imagine if colin (frank)ing campbell was our gm?

Still - I am thankful CC said, "No." Homer earned the benefit of Mr. Snider keeping his hands off with the way he turned around the team after TSTSNBN.
- Flyskippy

Agreed. It would be interesting to see Holmgren without the pressure from Snider.

I really wish I would have seen this 5 minutes ago.
- canadianpenfan

Being that you're a Pens fan, we had to make it look like we were trying to help. Sort of like a slow motion, "Nooooooooooo!" in the movies.

So if management heads were to roll, do you start with Homer or Lavi?
I guess I think either getting fired is a mistake, but when people say major moves wil be made, that is what I envision.
- Marc D

Laviolette would be the one to go. Zero question in my mind about that one.

I skipped all my posts and most of Bill's.
- Jsaquella

I really only read yours and whomever you quote. Ok, not quite true, but not far off.

can you imagine if colin (frank)ing campbell was our gm?
- hammarby31

Maybe Brayden Schenn wouldn't have gotten suspended.

I like the passion, but when it's misguided passion can lead to a crazy female dog knowing where you live and leaving dead animals on the steps
- Jsaquella

"I left some chewed gum on your... pillow."

I really only read yours and whomever you quote. Ok, not quite true, but not far off.
- Flyskippy

You need to get out more...or drink. Or something

can you imagine if colin (frank)ing campbell was our gm?
- hammarby31

Laviolette would be the one to go. Zero question in my mind about that one.
- Jsaquella

Is it Lavi's fault if Homer doesn't get him the right players to win with his coaching sys...

hmm better not go there

"I left some chewed gum on your... pillow."
- Flyskippy

So if management heads were to roll, do you start with Homer or Lavi?
I guess I think either getting fired is a mistake, but when people say major moves wil be made, that is what I envision.
- Marc D

i don't see holmger getting the boot if a change were to be made. he's got a lot more equity in his name within the organization than lava, and he's done a fine job. unfortunately key pieces like pronger have gone down due to serious injury. he swung for the fences with a poopload of money and almost got a great replacement. he's gotten a vezina caliber goalie, he's traded away pieces he thought were cancerous and received quality players in return. i honestly don't know that lava is a good coach. maybe he is, maybe he isn't. either way, it's much too early to even think about this stuff right now. they're 2-4, with a young group dealing with some adversity. we'll see.