For one reason.

Because there are players out there, on a lot of teams that are better. Certain players are better than others.

Thats the Nodl syndrome. Sure he may be decent. Yet in the grand scheme of the whole league, there are far too many that are better.
- flyer_nutter

But having that player for small cap value means you have the flexibility to acquire that bigger name player, when the time comes. Here's the thing about 'Nodl Syndrome': part of it is knowing that one of the other plus sides of that player was used: that you can throw them away when they're in the way.

For one reason.

Because there are players out there, on a lot of teams that are better. Certain players are better than others.

Thats the Nodl syndrome. Sure he may be decent. Yet in the grand scheme of the whole league, there are far too many that are better.
- flyer_nutter

This "Nodl syndrome" doesn't exist. It's fictitious and pure fantasy. Do you really think that anyone thinks that there aren't better players then Knuble and Fedetenko? That makes little sense. Those players were brought in for their intangibles. Signed to one year deals to provide veteran leadership, and do the small things. They aren't in the future conversation.

There are no Betts-Lappy on this team right now any way you slice it.
- flyer_nutter

Sure there is. Talbot.

Sure there is. Talbot.
- MJL

where is the panic button when you need one, seemed like the refs wanted us to win LOL, why cant we win faceoffs in critical situations? why is Bryz playing so good?!

But having that player for small cap value means you have the flexibility to acquire that bigger name player, when the time comes. Here's the thing about 'Nodl Syndrome': part of it is knowing that one of the other plus sides of that player was used: that you can throw them away when they're in the way.
- BulliesPhan87

I'll say this. Im batpoop crazy, and If I could I'd have a fourth line of Sestito-McGinn-Rinaldo.

I may be getting in your head when you are actually defining "Nodl syndrome" for me. Nothing personal

I used the term in reference to Voracek/Schenn. That they may not be as good as they are hyped up to be, or their potential is. With the desperate need for talent on D, they are my two I lead trades with. They have the rest of the season to cement themselves into the core.

There are no Betts-Lappy on this team right now any way you slice it.
- flyer_nutter

You have talbot and couturier. Talbot played a similar role on a cup wining team too.

Sure there is. Talbot.
- MJL

Who has played like poop. Especially for a guy that is supposed to lead for his work ethic.

For being a PK specialist apparently, he hasnt been much of one this season. Its a long season. We will see.

You have talbot and couturier. Talbot played a similar role on a cup wining team too.
- JoeRussomanno

play of the game: Talbot separating Callahans shoulder piece!

Who has played like poop. Especially for a guy that is supposed to lead for his work ethic.

For being a PK specialist apparently, he hasnt been much of one this season. Its a long season. We will see.
- flyer_nutter

How are you going to judge Talbot? On 7 games this Season and ignore how he played last Season? Ignore how he has been in his career? He has played a key role on a Championship team. The entire team has pretty much played like crap. You can overreact to that, or hope it turns around.

Well I gots to be getting to bed. Don't feel as sick as the other night bc the effort was better overall. Think the problems can get fixed in house or with a non dramatic trade. Lavy will have a couple good days to at least practice the pp. no I'm not sure who the flyers can get but they managed to acquire two dmen at the deadline last year.

This "Nodl syndrome" doesn't exist. It's fictitious and pure fantasy. Do you really think that anyone thinks that there aren't better players then Knuble and Fedetenko? That makes little sense. Those players were brought in for their intangibles. Signed to one year deals to provide veteran leadership, and do the small things. They aren't in the future conversation.
- MJL

Haha if you want my definition of how it applies and was originated by you so be it.

Everyone that puts on a Flyer jersey will be defended to no end. They are the best in the league.

It's alright to accept failure, learn from it and make changes. I cheer for the logo and what the team stands for. Not for an XY that threw on the jersey. Then proceeds to spit on it with poop play.

I'll say this. Im batpoop crazy, and If I could I'd have a fourth line of Sestito-McGinn-Rinaldo.

I may be getting in your head when you are actually defining "Nodl syndrome" for me. Nothing personal

I used the term in reference to Voracek/Schenn. That they may not be as good as they are hyped up to be, or their potential is. With the desperate need for talent on D, they are my two I lead trades with. They have the rest of the season to cement themselves into the core.
- flyer_nutter

I would've had Sestito sit for Rinaldo, personally. I like McGinn so far.

As for getting in my head, plenty of room. Have fun.

Nobody is claiming that Voracek and Schenn are susperstars, or even stars in the NHL, the way I see it. They have the potential to get there, perhaps, but the thing about that is so many players have seemed to be capable of stardom. I don't think anybody disagrees that Voracek and Schenn are preferable as trade pieces over, say, Couturier. They're valuable (you have to give value to get value), yet we're keeping the players that seem to have the most potential.

That said, I'm not just standing out on the street offering one or both for the best offer. 'Buy high, sell low' doesn't tend to be a winning trade strategy

How are you going to judge Talbot? On 7 games this Season and ignore how he played last Season? Ignore how he has been in his career? He has played a key role on a Championship team. The entire team has pretty much played like crap. You can overreact to that, or hope it turns around.
- MJL

Blind hope, or looking at the possibility of changes and criticizing the team looking at how things could be improved.

I'll choose realism. Thank ya.

I would've had Sestito sit for Rinaldo, personally. I like McGinn so far.

As for getting in my head, plenty of room. Have fun.

Nobody is claiming that Voracek and Schenn are susperstars, or even stars in the NHL, the way I see it. They have the potential to get there, perhaps, but the thing about that is so many players have seemed to be capable of stardom. I don't think anybody disagrees that Voracek and Schenn are preferable as trade pieces over, say, Couturier. They're valuable (you have to give value to get value), yet we're keeping the players that seem to have the most potential.

That said, I'm not just standing out on the street offering one or both for the best offer. 'Buy high, sell low' doesn't tend to be a winning trade strategy
- BulliesPhan87

Definately. Got to keep that pimp hand strong

this team's most talented players just aren't getting it done w/ the exception of bryz. giroux must play better...don't know if he's flu ridden, injured or out of shape, but he's in a funk. jake is a cipher, b schenn's just hitting people while making no plays w/ the puck and kimmo looks real tired.

so far L schenn has been pretty steady w/ the puck and reliably using his size to good effect. just a shame he's not a compliment to the puck mover we're starving for.

whatever this team's deficits, better special teams play prob would have reversed their record.

Definately. Got to keep that pimp hand strong
- flyer_nutter

But really, that's what would happen if the Flyers were to just go actively spending said players on getting better players. To get (to use a popular name) Bobby Ryan, you either have to include both Voracek and Schenn, or one plus other players or assets. Which either leaves you with either an empty spot on the roster, or less on the farm. You know Anaheim isn't going to swap Bobby Ryan for a less productive forward unless they're getting something else good. The same principle applies with any other big name.

So I'm content to fill out my roster with the Nodls and Reads, we'll certainly have to when the time comes to snag a #1 defenseman.

But really, that's what would happen if the Flyers were to just go actively spending said players on getting better players. To get (to use a popular name) Bobby Ryan, you either have to include both Voracek and Schenn, or one plus other players or assets. Which either leaves you with either an empty spot on the roster, or less on the farm. You know Anaheim isn't going to swap Bobby Ryan for a less productive forward unless they're getting something else good. The same principle applies with any other big name.

So I'm content to fill out my roster with the Nodls and Reads, we'll certainly have to when the time comes to snag a #1 defenseman.
- BulliesPhan87

Read is miles above Nodl in my book.

Get what you mean definately. I'd look at FA for the offense and use the assets for the D, where the Flyers will definately have to overpay. Nature of the beast.

Read is miles above Nodl in my book.

Get what you mean definately. I'd look at FA for the offense and use the assets for the D, where the Flyers will definately have to overpay. Nature of the beast.
- flyer_nutter

Oh, for sure. I'm just comparing the two terms of claims of overratedness.

Really, it's a matter of when the opportunities arise. Maybe the Flyers get Ryan in free agency in a couple years, who knows? I definitely don't see the defenseman we need hitting free agency, though. Teams don't let that kind of player get away.

I would've had Sestito sit for Rinaldo, personally. I like McGinn so far.
- BulliesPhan87

agreed ... I'd like to see a way for McGinn to get back in the lineup. As far as Sestito or Rinaldo, that's a wash in my eyes. Maybe a slight edge to Rinaldo, but he can't take stupid penalties like tonight.

on the bright side, the Flyers do have some games coming up against teams that are more on their level, or a bit below, so maybe we can inch our way back up to 500.

This is when you have to either trust your scouting department, or fire them all. They are the ones that saw the potential in Voracek, Schenn, Couturier & Simmonds to allow them to trade Carter and Richards away.

The Flyers rely heavily on young players up front. Very rarely do you see a young player have a linear progression. People who happily remember Mike Richards' breakout season in 2007-08 seem to forget his struggles the previous season, when he had a 22 game goal scoring drought.

Young guys who had good rookie years, or even good first years as Flyers, were being counted on to repeat those years. Thus far, it hasn't worked. Despite the fact that there wasn't massive roster turnover, these young players were being asked to assume new roles, without the benefit of a full camp and zero pre-season tune ups.

Add to that some systemic adjustments and older players who didn't play during the lockout and you have a situation that required a lot of moving pieces to mesh together flawlessly. They haven't.

Now to touch on the Nodl syndrome stuff, Nodl was seen as a third liner, at best, by those who liked him. I don't recall anyone saying he was a future 25 goal scorer or second line sniper.

The difference is, people expect that from Schenn, Couturier and Voracek. The trouble is, if somebody defends a player, it's automatically assumed by many that the person defending or praising a player assumes the person feels that player will be a super star.

I don't think that for Schenn or Voracek. I think Schenn could be a 20-25 goal guy, who notches 55-65 points a year and provides physical, two way play as a 2nd line center. I expect Voarcek to be a 20 goal guy who scores 50-55 points. That's hardly expecting them to be Crosby or Malkin.

I expect the same kind of offensive potential from Couturier that I do from Schenn, but I expect Couturier to be a near-Selke level defensive forward.

The thing is, I also expect potholes along the way.

How was your night?

Couldn't have been any worse than what the Penguins called hockey tonight. Abysmal from start to finish.

Well I gots to be getting to bed. Don't feel as sick as the other night bc the effort was better overall. Think the problems can get fixed in house or with a non dramatic trade. Lavy will have a couple good days to at least practice the pp. no I'm not sure who the flyers can get but they managed to acquire two dmen at the deadline last year.
- JoeRussomanno

A guy named Rundblad will help fix the powerplay and he can be had from Phoenix.

How bout Cody Franson because why the (frank) not....?

I'm sad to announce the passing of Matt Carle as our former whipping boy. He will be replaced by 21 year old forward, Brayden schenn. May Matt forever smile upon us in the all forgiving and non caring market known as Tampa Bay. His spirit will be with, successor Brayden Schenn who is condemned to wallow in vitriolic criticism and hatred left vacant by Matt. In Clarkie's name Amen.
- JoeRussomanno

classic