Was your dry land is full gear? We use to have to get in full gear with out skates, and run around the parking lot holding our equipment bag with skates and clothes in them.
Man i hated that... - Flyersgod
Nope LOL, your coach mustve beeen a real you know what...haha we would have to do a whole workout mainly squats calf raises, pulling a sled with 50 lbs in it, cleans, military press etc
Shut up about Matt carle bill, it's over, he's gone...and I don't miss him! - ecp500
I'm as big of a Carle critic as anyone when it came to his positioning and intensity. But you can't argue the guy had a pair of skates on him, and offensive prowess. While I don't think he would "solve" the issues now, I think he could definitely help... especially with how beat up the D is currently.
My opinion on a bag skate is while it doesn't make a teams issues go away, it may give a push to a player and teams work ethic. Teams that don't give a 60 minute effort is unacceptable. Losing is one thing, not trying is another.
I have seen this team go through the motions in games more than I care for.
Nope LOL, your coach mustve beeen a real you know what...haha we would have to do a whole workout mainly squats calf raises, pulling a sled with 50 lbs in it, cleans, military press etc - Flyers4Life88
Our Coach was nuts really...
I've been in more bag skates then i care to remember... but we never turned on the coach. He always told us why we were doing it. We damn sure tried harder to never make that mistake again.
I get that side. There are times where it does damage. But when the goal is to win, and win at all costs, why not risk it?
They have nothing to lose at this point. In my opinion... i'm from a different time i guess... - Flyersgod
I totally see where you're coming from and this may have worked 10 years ago or so but all these players have much bigger egos. Besides, their problems should fix themselves as guys start to find their game. It's more or less just a matter of time.
My opinion on a bag skate is while it doesn't make a teams issues go away, it may give a push to a player and teams work ethic. Teams that don't give a 60 minute effort is unacceptable. Losing is one thing, not trying is another.
I have seen this team go through the motions in games more than I would care for. - PLindbergh31
They had the same problem last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before.
When bad behavior isn't punished, it will continue to happen. Giving a team a day off because they played like crap sends a bad message. Bring them in for some off-ice stuff if need be after a b2b.
I totally see where you're coming from and this may have worked 10 years ago or so but all these players have much bigger egos. Besides, their problems should fix themselves as guys start to find their game. It's more or less just a matter of time. - NickTheKid87
Look... I get that they have big egos. But if they can't handle being punished then i don't want them.
Bag skates do so much more then just make you skate. They bring you together as a team...
Hes not Alex Effin Pietrangelo, everybody, he's an extremely low intensity (learned from Timonen), defensively passable, offensively biased, turnover machine who doesn't have a slapper in his arsenal. How's that for an honest player analysis - FlyersPhanatic012
1) Certainly not a franchise defenseman, agreed.
2) Not sure what you mean by "extremely low intensity -learned from Timonen." Timonen may project calm and lack of hurry (as did Eric Desjardins) but that's actually a positive thing. And Timonen is actually ULTRA intense when it comes to being a competitor and brutally honest about himself and the team. No one on that entire locker room, including Giroux, hates to lose more than Timonen does. Also, players don't learn their demeanor from other players. They are how they are. Carle isn't a physical player and he's not a vocal guy but I never thought for one moment that he was a guy who was nonchalant.
3) Defensively passable... Agreed. Carle isn't a shutdown guy but he doesn't kill you in terms of positional play.
4) Offensively-biased: He's not Steve Duchesne out there, worried only about rushing the puck and pinching at every opportunity. He does slant toward being more offensive-minded than defensive-minded, but you yourself listed defensively passable as one of his attributes. And that's all he needs to be.
5) Turnover machine: That is not true. Statistically he turns the puck over about as much as most defensemen around the league who handle the puck as often as he does and play comparable minutes. The problem is that his mistakes often tend to be the glaring kind that result immediately in goals. But in terms of volume of giveaways/forced turnovers, he's about normal for a guy below the elite class of defensemen but still a top 4. It's just that when a player is on your team, you notice mistakes more than you do if he plays for someone else.
They had the same problem last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before.
When bad behavior isn't punished, it will continue to happen. Giving a team a day off because they played like crap sends a bad message. Bring them in for some off-ice stuff if need be after a b2b. - Flyersgod
I agree.. This seems to be more of an attitude problem, instead of an issue of tiring. These guys are just playing lazy in just about every aspect right now. If you're tired, I can see it affecting speed and checking intensity. But it shouldn't make you lose every faceoff, get completely lazy and don't give a crap committing penalties, mouthing off to the refs, etc. They have attitudes.. bad ones.
ES: Hey, Pete, the team looks slow and tired out there. The breakouts are weak, passing isn't good, and the PK and PP also suck. What's up?
PL: Gee, I don't know, Mr. S. I bag skated the h-e-double-hockey-sticks outta them yesterday. I'm stumped why the PP and PK haven't improved.
ES: - Scoob
I guarantee if Snider watched the game in TB, he was embarrassed to be the owner of the team. The effort and intensity in that game was a disgrace. You see guys in beer leagues give more effort.
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1) Certainly not a franchise defenseman, agreed.
2) Not sure what you mean by "extremely low intensity -learned from Timonen." Timonen may project calm and lack of hurry (as did Eric Desjardins) but that's actually a positive thing. And Timonen is actually ULTRA intense when it comes to being a competitor and brutally honest about himself and the team. No one on that entire locker room, including Giroux, hates to lose more than Timonen does. Also, players don't learn their demeanor from other players. They are how they are. Carle isn't a physical player and he's not a vocal guy but I never thought for one moment that he was a guy who was nonchalant.
3) Defensively passable... Agreed. Carle isn't a shutdown guy but he doesn't kill you in terms of positional play.
4) Offensively-biased: He's not Steve Duchesne out there, worried only about rushing the puck and pinching at every opportunity. He does slant toward being more offensive-minded than defensive-minded, but you yourself listed defensively passable as one of his attributes. And that's all he needs to be.
5) Turnover machine: That is not true. Statistically he turns the puck over about as much as most defensemen around the league who handle the puck as often as he does and play comparable minutes. The problem is that his mistakes often tend to be the glaring kind that result immediately in goals. But in terms of volume of giveaways/forced turnovers, he's about normal for a guy below the elite class of defensemen but still a top 4. It's just that when a player is on your team, you notice mistakes more than you do if he plays for someone else.
6) No slapshot, weak wrist shot: Very true. - bmeltzer
Thank you Bill for educating the Cataldis of the world.
I guarantee if Snider watched the game in TB, he was embarrassed to be the owner of the team. The effort and intensity in that game was a disgrace. You see guys in beer leagues give more effort. - PLindbergh31
My 11 month old works harder trying to take a dump then this team does forechecking....
2) Not sure what you mean by "extremely low intensity -learned from Timonen." Timonen may project calm and lack of hurry (as did Eric Desjardins) but that's actually a positive thing. And Timonen is actually ULTRA intense when it comes to being a competitor and brutally honest about himself and the team. No one on that entire locker room, including Giroux, hates to lose more than Timonen does. Also, players don't learn their demeanor from other players. They are how they are. Carle isn't a physical player and he's not a vocal guy but I never thought for one moment that he was a guy who was nonchalant.
3) Defensively passable... Agreed. Carle isn't a shutdown guy but he doesn't kill you in terms of positional play.
4) Offensively-biased: He's not Steve Duchesne out there, worried only about rushing the puck and pinching at every opportunity. He does slant toward being more offensive-minded than defensive-minded, but you yourself listed defensively passable as one of his attributes. And that's all he needs to be.
5) Turnover machine: That is not true. Statistically he turns the puck over about as much as most defensemen around the league who handle the puck as often as he does and play comparable minutes. The problem is that his mistakes often tend to be the glaring kind that result immediately in goals. But in terms of volume of giveaways/forced turnovers, he's about normal for a guy below the elite class of defensemen but still a top 4. It's just that when a player is on your team, you notice mistakes more than you do if he plays for someone else.
6) No slapshot, weak wrist shot: Very true. - bmeltzer
Look... I get that they have big egos. But if they can't handle being punished then i don't want them.
Bag skates do so much more then just make you skate. They bring you together as a team... - Flyersgod
It's not like a few guys would be disheartened by a bag skate. A lot of them may be. If they need to be bag skated to wake them up, then we have much larger problems.
We're 2-5 with almost no room for error for the rest of the year.
If its not the coaches fault, and its not the GM's fault, then its the players fault.
When you have an employee show up to work and half ass it all day you punish them. Make them stay late etc...
This is a business... we need to stop punishing the coaches and Gm and start punishing the players. They are the ones who have to play the game. - Flyersgod
Exactly.. While obviously the staff needs to do their jobs - at the end of the day, the coaches, GM and owners don't play. It's the players who take the ice.. THEY need to perform.
