The scary thing about last night is you could make a case that Bryz should have stopped the 3 goal but if not for the 5-10 top quality saves he made in the first period the game would have been over much sooner. He has , by far, been their best player this season to point.

Last season Giroux skated with some combo of Hartnell/Jagr/JVR/Simmonds/Jake.. Tonight he is lining up with MJL and Spatso.. Not using that as an excuse but take that much talent off the team and goals are going to drop off..

So many things are wrong right now with Bryz being the only thing that is not wrong. You can change Lavi if you want but to what end..OK great Murray takes over , they become more defensive and they only lose 2-1 . Currently the lack of offense is killing them more then anything. If I was them i ride out the storm this season and go hard after Perry. I think that as bad as Couturier looks he will eventually turn around and be what he is supposed to be a 3 possibly 2 line center that can shut other players down. Right now you can see him trying too hard.
- opeth_pa

I watched the kid play as a 16 year old. You have made my day, even if it was just fantasy! Tell me, did I score?

Wholeheartedly disagree. You need players such as Jagr in your lineup and on your bench and in your locker room. If you let all of your younger players grow up at the same time without some guidance, it's a recipe for disaster.

There are so many difficult nuances, both on and off the ice, that both young and experienced players can, and in fact did, benefit from by having Jagr around.
- 77rams

They already have enough leadership and veteran players on the team. They Timonen, Coburn, Knuble, Fedetenko, Talbot, Hartnell, Briere. If you constantly have players like Jagr around, there's no room for those young player to step up and take on a bigger role. Has to happen at some point. Why not find out now? Jagr is 40 years old, gonna keep him around forever to hold some players hands? Time for some players like Voracek to grow up and take a bigger role. And if he can't, then you make a change. Only way to find out is to put him in that spot.

Again, according to Bill Meltzer, the asking price for Yandle is much higher then that.
- MJL

yandle is not even as good in his own end as carle. OEL or bust if we're talking to PHO.

Could be, but asking and getting are different matters. Ottawa got Turris for Rundblad and a second. Schenn in the middle of their first or second line would be a pretty compelling attraction.
- spatso

And Rundbland just got sent back down.

ok, so you'll hogtie 5.6 MM to our cap until bryz is 39? he's never been stellar in the plyoffs when he was the #1 guy...and we can no longer bury the $$ in the A. it's def up for debate, for sure.
- isaiah520

Have you watched a single game this year?

I'm assuming you have, so why in the heck would Bryz be the one you're looking to buy out? And please tell me who replaces him.

ok, so you'll hogtie 5.6 MM to our cap until bryz is 39? he's never been stellar in the plyoffs when he was the #1 guy...and we can no longer bury the $$ in the A. it's def up for debate, for sure.
- isaiah520

5.6M for a very good Goalie is peanuts. The longer it goes, the cheaper that figure is. Buyout Bryzgalov then what?

yandle is not even as good in his own end as carle. OEL or bust if we're talking to PHO.
- isaiah520

Yandle is a better goal scorer, and more dynamic then Carle is offensively. He is inferior to Carle in every other area.

would you guys trade cooter+g for perry,getlaf and ryan?
- mydoglicks

No because you have to worry about Perry and Getlzaf being FAs. I also am amazed that people are talking about trading Giroux after 8 games..really? last season over the course of 77 games he was considered one of the best players in the league. Now, 8 games later..


I would certainly move Couturier in a package trade and sign deal for Perry. I think we would all be ok with Giroux setting up Perry and Hartnell for the next couple of years. Would probably go straight up for Couturier for Ryan...As much as like Getzlaf i think they have other positions to worry about before center.

I think a better move for them is to package Couturier for Weber next season or Subban+

Have you watched a single game this year?

I'm assuming you have, so why in the heck would Bryz be the one you're looking to buy out? And please tell me who replaces him.
- hereticpride

it's about the contract and the fact that G, couts, read and schenn get raises season after nxt...and mez will also need a new deal. if brz was at his cap # for the nxt 4 yrs, ok, but we can't bury 5.6MM the A anymore. iow, we are in a money ball era in the nhl. pick your poison....carefully.

And Rundbland just got sent back down.
- MJL

It is one of the reasons that I think Phoenix will decide to do a good hockey trade. Everyone knows Yendle is available. But, the longer it goes and the better OEL gets the more the price goes down. So, an offer of Schenn, a second and a prospect is pretty solid.

No because you have to worry about Perry and Getlzaf being FAs. I also am amazed that people are talking about trading Giroux after 8 games..really? last season over the course of 77 games he was considered one of the best players in the league. Now, 8 games later..


I would certainly move Couturier in a package trade and sign deal for Perry. I think we would all be ok with Giroux setting up Perry and Hartnell for the next couple of years. Would probably go straight up for Couturier for Ryan...As much as like Getzlaf i think they have other positions to worry about before center.

I think a better move for them is to package Couturier for Weber next season or Subban+
- opeth_pa

Trade Couturier for Perry? I wouldn't. If I was interested in Perry, I'd rather take my chances in Free Agency. Now way would I do that. Wouldn't trade Couturier for Ryan either.

They already have enough leadership and veteran players on the team. They Timonen, Coburn, Knuble, Fedetenko, Talbot, Hartnell, Briere. If you constantly have players like Jagr around, there's no room for those young player to step up and take on a bigger role. Has to happen at some point. Why not find out now? Jagr is 40 years old, gonna keep him around forever to hold some players hands? Time for some players like Voracek to grow up and take a bigger role. And if he can't, then you make a change. Only way to find out is to put him in that spot.
- MJL

Jagr was a good influence in the room, and performed well last year. But he's not what this team needs. He was in and out of the lineup last year with assorted injuries, the last thing this team needs is another guy who can't stay healthy. IMO the correct decision was made to move on from Jagr.

It is one of the reasons that I think Phoenix will decide to do a good hockey trade. Everyone knows Yendle is available. But, the longer it goes and the better OEL gets the more the price goes down. So, an offer of Schenn, a second and a prospect is pretty solid.
- spatso

The price may go down for sure. Teams tend to ask for a high premium this time of year. As well as it being real early for top players to be traded. That's why I question your repeated predictions that Holmgren will acquire a top defenseman really soon.

They already have enough leadership and veteran players on the team. They Timonen, Coburn, Knuble, Fedetenko, Talbot, Hartenll, Briere. If you constantly have players like Jagr around, there's no room for those young player to step up and take on a bigger role. Has to happen at some point. Why not find out now? Jagr is 40 years old, gonna keep him around forever to hold some players hands? Time for some players like Voracek to grow up and take a bigger role. And if he can't, then you make a change. Only way to find out is to put him in that spot.
- MJL

Not forever, just another year. And I'd argue that the benefit from his presence would've greatly outweighed the detriments.

Voracek was getting playing time when Jagr was here. Jaro's presence wouldn't take away from his TOI anymore than it did last year. I'd argue that G and Hartnell grew significantly last year by playing alongside Jagr.

And I'd also disagree that the only way to find out whether a player is ready is to throw him in the deep end of the pool. The Flyers have used that approach for years and has worked to their disadvantage more so than to their advantage.

it's about the contract and the fact that G, couts, read and schenn get raises season after nxt...and mez will also need a new deal. if brz was at his cap # for the nxt 4 yrs, ok, but we can't bury 5.6MM the A anymore. iow, we are in a money ball era in the nhl. pick your poison....carefully.
- isaiah520

Part of picking that poison carefully is going back to have a need in net again. That needs to be part of your formula.

Jagr was a good influence in the room, and performed well last year. But he's not what this team needs. He was in and out of the lineup last year with assorted injuries, the last thing this team needs is another guy who can't stay healthy. IMO the correct decision was made to move on from Jagr.
- PLindbergh31

I agree only because of his salary. If he would've accepted a more modest cap hit, I'd give him another year.

it's about the contract and the fact that G, couts, read and schenn get raises season after nxt...and mez will also need a new deal. if brz was at his cap # for the nxt 4 yrs, ok, but we can't bury 5.6MM the A anymore. iow, we are in a money ball era in the nhl. pick your poison....carefully.
- isaiah520

So what has Schenn shown you that warrants you cutting ties with Bryz and getting nothing in return for him? And again what is the option to replace Bryz?

Trade Couturier for Perry? I wouldn't. If I was interested in Perry, I'd rather take my chances in Free Agency. Now way would I do that. Wouldn't trade Couturier for Ryan either.
- MJL

I'm not trading Couturier for anyone until I get a chance to talk to NSH about Weber again.

i would not trade anything for perry/getzalf, they are ufa's

the ufa market should be good this season, weber will be ableto be traded if nash wants to and might if he keeps stinking.

we could end up with jones or mackinnon if we continue to stink

we can trade briere, kimmo, jake for some picks at the tdl

the silver lining is after this short season and im glad it is, we can be a totally different team next season with our young guns intact

also brys is gaining confidence and will have another year of philly under his belt

I agree only because of his salary. If he would've accepted a more modest cap hit, I'd give him another year.
- 77rams

Yes. if he would have returned for what he made last year I wouldn't have minded. How much money has the guy made in his career? For a million bucks or so he decided to pack up and go to Dallas? Don't really get it, but hey I don't know the guys financial situation.

Not forever, just another year. And I'd argue that the benefit from his presence would've greatly outweighed the detriments.

Voracek was getting playing time when Jagr was here. Jaro's presence wouldn't take away from his TOI anymore than it did last year. I'd argue that G and Hartnell grew significantly last year by playing alongside Jagr.

And I'd also disagree that the only way to find out whether a player is ready is to throw him in the deep end of the pool. The Flyers have used that approach for years and has worked to their disadvantage more so than to their advantage.
- 77rams

Of course it will be just for another year, he's 40. That just delays finding out what you need to know. I would agree that Giroux and Hartnell grew, and Jagr was a positive influence. But it's time to cut the cord. More players don't work out then do. That's the way it's always been. Regardless of what approach you use. Flyers made the right choice to not bring Jagr back. Time for other players to step up. I guess we just disagree.

The Price may go down for sure. Teams tend to ask for a high premium this time of year. As well as it being real early for top players to be traded. That's why I question your repeated predictions that Holmgren will acquire a top defenseman really soon.
- MJL

Everybody is talking about teams desperately wanting Dmen. But, you also have teams desperately looking to fill a center ice hole. If Phoenex gets a good center they are going to be a solid playoff contender. Without an addition they will get beat in the close games (like last night). I think the Flyers have and can afford exactly what Phoenix needs. If Holmgren makes the best offer he gets the player.

I'm confused... we wouldn't trade coots for yandle?

But some were saying it was a fair trade for subban?

3 straight 40+ point seasons
3 straight 10+ goal seasons
played 82 games in 3 straight years

And he's 26. I really do think we might over value Coots. He might be a solid NHL player, but its doubtful he's going to be a superstar in this league.

I'd do this trade in a heartbeat. Unless we could get Weber after the season.. in which case i'd wait for him.

Jagr was a good influence in the room, and performed well last year. But he's not what this team needs. He was in and out of the lineup last year with assorted injuries, the last thing this team needs is another guy who can't stay healthy. IMO the correct decision was made to move on from Jagr.
- PLindbergh31

I'm not wild about spending trade resources on Jagr, either. Unless it's an eighth round pick and Jody Shelley going the other way, what exactly are we getting in Jagr? A late season feel good boost for Giroux? Just get the kid some anti-depressants.

i would not trade anything for perry/getzalf, they are ufa's

- mydoglicks

Thats why i said a trade and sign type deal for them.
I would not trade anything for them right if an extension was not included.
That being said, they are not winning this year so just deal with the suck and go hard next season.