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TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 4 @ 5:08 PM ET
Are any posters here involved with careers that charge by the billable hour?

If so, how do you allocate your HB time?

-Da Man

- Daman


"Other"

Edit: or Documentation
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 4 @ 5:11 PM ET
Here's some Homegrown defensemen everyone wanted so bad (played at least 1 game this year):

PHI: N/A
PIT: Bortuzzo, Despres, Letang, Lovejoy, Orpik
NJD: Fayne, Greene, Larsson
NYR: Del Zotto, Girardi, Staal
BOS: Hamilton, McQuaid
WAS: Alzner, Carlson, Green, Schultz
CHI: Hjalmarsson, Keith, Seabrook
STL: Cole, Jackman, Pietrangelo, Polak
DET: Ericsson, Kindl, Kronwall, Lashoff, Smith
VAN: Bieksa, Edler, Tanev
LAK: Doughty, Drewiske, Martinez, Voynov
NSH: Blum, Ellis, Josi, Klein, Weber
TBL: Hedman
SJS: Braun, Demers, Murray, Petrecki, Vlasic


Just a few teams. Don't have time for all.

- NickTheKid87



johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 4 @ 5:18 PM ET
Are any posters here involved with careers that charge by the billable hour?

If so, how do you allocate your HB time?

-Da Man

- Daman


Training.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 4 @ 5:25 PM ET
Training.

- johndewar




When I was starting out, I had a really cool boss who wanted to reward me for high billable hours. So he used his own frequent flier miles to fly me to Tampa where we proceeded to donate to the college funds of young local coeds, one dollar at a time. At one point while we were each "donating" u leaned over and asked him what the time sheet code was for Girly Bar expense. His response...44DD. Classic.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 4 @ 5:29 PM ET
[quote=MJL]
I've been fed up w/ homer the last couple of yrs. there seems to be no consistent plan, just a reboot when they run out of patience. I believe they rush their young plyrs and I prob lost faith in him when he re-signed leighton. to this day, ill never understand that and bringing him back this yr. this org does so many things well, but the d & goalie thing are a thorn in its side. trading draft picks and missing out on the ones you keep is lethal. all it takes is one Karlsson or OEL to change things, but this org has paid a pretty dear price for not getting the homegrown G or dman right. homer ought to held into account for this shortcoming.

I think bryz is a guy who is going to be ~ .920% goalie fairly consistently, but his last few plyoff performances are underwhelming. glad you're unboggled about a buyout possibility.

maybe, in order to win arguments, you ascribe motives or meanings that are pure fabrication or that are so blinkered...I think you know what's true and what's not. a classic example is the part about mez and me predicting he would get hurt- you're "asking me again", lol. that's a silly joke they call a straw man argument. you use it often whether you know it or not. and the part of how you form opinions in supposed contrast to me or anyone else is another example of outright silliness.

just for clarity, my concern at the outset of last yr was that prongers performance would noticeably slip due to wear and tear, kimmo the same - which it has- and the loss of either coby or carle, which happened. given our lack of top flight replacements and given the bounty arriving forwards, i wanted to move schenn or jvr - but really schenn- for bogo, pk, mcbain, et al. the rationale was that we were stocked down the middle and that schenn was still highly valued...prob not as high right now. i didnt want to gamble on a FA...to iffy. is this such a tough concept to grasp? I know it's history, but if you're willing to criticize someone who makes a projection, you should give him a sliver of credit if he's right. i can take the ribbing if im wrong, can you? nope, just slings, arrows and straw man arguments. good show.

wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Feb 4 @ 5:31 PM ET
Are any posters here involved with careers that charge by the billable hour?

If so, how do you allocate your HB time?

-Da Man

- Daman


pro bono
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 4 @ 5:38 PM ET
I've been fed up w/ homer the last couple of yrs. there seems to be no consistent plan, just a reboot when they run out of patience. I believe they rush their young plyrs and I prob lost faith in him when he re-signed leighton. to this day, ill never understand that and bringing him back this yr. this org does so many things well, but the d & goalie thing are a thorn in its side. trading draft picks and missing out on the ones you keep is lethal. all it takes is one Karlsson or OEL to change things, but this org has paid a pretty dear price for not getting the homegrown G or dman right. homer ought to held into account for this shortcoming.

I think bryz is a guy who is going to be ~ .920% goalie fairly consistently, but his last few plyoff performances are underwhelming. glad you're unboggled about a buyout possibility.

maybe, in order to win arguments, you ascribe motives or meanings that are pure fabrication or that are so blinkered...I think you know what's true and what's not. a classic example is the part about mez and me predicting he would get hurt- you're "asking me again", lol. that's a silly joke they call a straw man argument. you use it often whether you know it or not. and the part of how you form opinions in supposed contrast to me or anyone else is another example of outright silliness.

just for clarity, my concern at the outset of last yr was that prongers performance would noticeably slip due to wear and tear, kimmo the same - which it has- and the loss of either coby or carle, which happened. given our lack of top flight replacements and given the bounty arriving forwards, i wanted to move schenn or jvr - but really schenn- for bogo, pk, mcbain, et al. the rationale was that we were stocked down the middle and that schenn was still highly valued...prob not as high right now. i didnt want to gamble on a FA...to iffy. is this such a tough concept to grasp? I know it's history, but if you're willing to criticize someone who makes a projection, you should give him a sliver of credit if he's right. i can take the ribbing if im wrong, can you? nope, just slings, arrows and straw man arguments. good show.

- isaiah520


So now you're bringing Leighton into it, and calling my points a straw man argument. And you're stating players that you want to acquire, that haven't been traded, and are still with the teams they were drafted by. I didn't realize we were playing fantasy Hockey. I thought we were dealing in the real world. So instead of gambling on Free Agency, because it's too iffy. Your plan is to trade for players that haven't been traded, and you don't even know if they're available.

Never once said that a buyout of any player isn't a possibility. Do you think the Flyers are thinking that way right now with Brygalov's current level of play. That ends that discussion as far as I'm concerned. To be re-evaluated at a later time. Which is exactly what the Flyers are going to do. And that's how GM's build teams. Not with hindsight and revisionist history. But by evaluating going forward.

And as far as Holmgren being held accountable for the shortcoming of the team. I'd like to know what team that has won the Cup, hasn't had to go into Free Agency, or make trades, to bolster the lineup. What GM has drafted so perfectly, and developed those players, that they didn't have to bring in any players from outside the Organization, to add to the lineup?
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Feb 4 @ 5:38 PM ET
pro bono
- wilsonecho91


Charging it to the Underhills
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Feb 4 @ 5:39 PM ET
So now you're bringing Leighton into it, and calling my points a straw man argument. And you're stating players that you want to acquire, that haven't been traded, and are still with the teams they were drafted by. I didn't realize we were playing fantasy Hockey. I thought we were dealing in the real world.

Never once said that a buyout of any player isn't a possibility. Do you think the Flyers are thinking that way right now with Brygalov's current level of play. That ends that discussion as far as I'm concerned. To be re-evaluated at a later time. Which is exactly what the Flyers are going to do. And that's how GM's build teams. Not with hindsight and revisionist history. But by evaluating going forward.

- MJL







King of the Straw Men


Edit: 1/2 of the Devil's sign
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Feb 4 @ 5:47 PM ET
On the flip side, it's difficult not to gush over the skill set that Couturier possesses. Could be a 1a/1b situation in a year or two with Giroux, where Couturier takes all the tough minutes, leaving Claude to focus on scoring 150 goals a season.
- bradleyc4


Is this the same dream where Tye McGinn becomes John LeClair? And Matt Read becomes Brian Propp? I love that dream...
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Feb 4 @ 5:48 PM ET
Charging it to the Underhills
- Daman


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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 5:50 PM ET
Is this the same dream where Tye McGinn becomes John LeClair? And Matt Read becomes Brian Propp? I love that dream...

- BringBack25


Unfortunately, Coburn turns into Doug Crossman and I end up kicking my dog.


*Jsaq doesn't have a dog, it's only a metaphor
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Feb 4 @ 5:51 PM ET
I wish I could write like this!
- MJL


So do we!
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Feb 4 @ 5:54 PM ET
Unfortunately, Coburn turns into Doug Crossman and I end up kicking my dog.


*Jsaq doesn't have a dog, it's only a metaphor

- Jsaquella


Penner
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 4 @ 5:55 PM ET
So do we!

- BringBack25


Why I oughta!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 4 @ 5:58 PM ET
Why I oughta!

- MJL

Its ok, we no your working on it
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:00 PM ET
Penner
- Daman


While normally I dismiss your posts as a vain attempt at humor, kind of like most people do with Dane Cook or Frank Caliendo, I do admire your ability to cherry pick and quote "Fletch"
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:04 PM ET
Its ok, we no your working on it
- BulliesPhan87

Know he's knot.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 4 @ 6:06 PM ET
Know he's knot.

- mayorofangrytown

Well he should of been working on it, for all are sake.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:06 PM ET
Know he's knot.

- mayorofangrytown


You should be above these sort of things.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
Rangers trade Rupp to Minnesota, per Bob McKenzie, for Darroll Powe
- Jsaquella

What the heck is Minnesota thinking?
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Feb 4 @ 6:09 PM ET
While normally I dismiss your posts as a vain attempt at humor, kind of like most people do with Dane Cook or Frank Caliendo, I do admire your ability to cherry pick and quote "Fletch"

- Jsaquella


I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut (or in this case, Da Man finding Fletch).

-Da Man
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:12 PM ET
What the heck is Minnesota thinking?
- Flyskippy


They were paying Darroll Powe over $1mm a year.

Actually I'm guessing that they wanted more veteran experience. They don't need the size, got a lot of big bodies in their bottom 6.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 4 @ 6:12 PM ET
I'm trying to figure out, are most pro or anti Yandle? I think he would be a fine addition. Younger then Carle and has put up better offensive number with less talent (lower cap hit and less years). Is a true #1 d-man? Probably not, but so wasn't Suter. He would probably put up better numbers here. Plus, if the concern is defense, we have 3 guys already in the top 6 who could eat a lot of PK and defensive zone draw time (Coburn, Grossman, and Schenn).

I would make a push to acquire Yandle. You have to figure with the ownership issues, coupled with the fact OEL is going to be a RFA and probably want a raise, Yande can be traded. "Yes" I would trade one of the young centers (not G) to get him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 4 @ 6:18 PM ET
I'm trying to figure out, are most pro or anti Yandle? I think he would be a fine addition. Younger then Carle and has put up better offensive number with less talent (lower cap hit and less years). Is a true #1 d-man? Probably not, but so wasn't Suter. He would probably put up better numbers here. Plus, if the concern is defense, we have 3 guys already in the top 6 who could eat a lot of PK and defensive zone draw time (Coburn, Grossman, and Schenn).

I would make a push to acquire Yandle. You have to figure with the ownership issues, coupled with the fact OEL is going to be a RFA and probably want a raise, Yande can be traded. "Yes" I would trade one of the young centers (not G) to get him.

- ravishingone


I'm fine with adding Yandle, assuming the cost is fair. I wouldn't be willing to trade Couturier for him, but I'd be open to a deal built around a Yandle for B. Schenn or Voracek exchange.
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