He came from Colorado I do believe.
- canadianpenfan

I know he came from Colorado. My point is Columbus is as low as you can go and it is hard to become a star on a bottom feeder. Do you think Derrick Brassard would have been a major flog like he has if he was in St. Louis or Detroit? I doubt it. The Colorado trade also involved Erik Johnson so it was a pretty even deal.

Shattenkirk is going nowhere, ditto Pietrangelo, cornerstones like Suter and Weber. The new CBA will keep the two Blues together.
- flyerdude17

agreeed, flyers should be looking for diamonds in the rough...matty carle and braydon coburn were unknowns practically before they got to philly.

He came from Colorado I do believe.
- canadianpenfan

Shattenkirk played for Colorado and was traded his rookie season, in which he happened to be playing very well in.

46 games- 26 points.... As a rookie.
- jak521

yeah once a player hits the spotlight, it's over...you may not know what you got until everyone else does

I know he came from Colorado. My point is Columbus is as low as you can go and it is hard to become a star on a bottom feeder. Do you think Derrick Brassard would have been a major flog like he has if he was in St. Louis or Detroit? I doubt it. The Colorado trade also involved Erik Johnson so it was a pretty even deal.
- flyerdude17

Is this a serious view? So these guys, regardless of how truly skilled they are, will fail because their team sucks?

So I guess Crosby on that Pens team was the exception. Or Taylor Hall on the Oilers.


How about this, if they are really as good as they are being touted, should be able to perform regardless of where they are.

Shattenkirk played for Colorado and was traded his rookie season, in which he happened to be playing very well in.

46 games- 26 points.... As a rookie.
- jak521

Peter Stastny even blasted the team for trading Stewart and Shattenkirk.

Is this a serious view? So these guys, regardless of how truly skilled they are, will fail because their team sucks?

So I guess Crosby on that Pens team was the exception. Or Taylor Hall on the Oilers.


How about this, if they are really as good as they are being touted, should be able to perform regardless of where they are.
- jak521

example...danny b 1st round pick in 96 by pheonix...plays reasonably good years on a bottom feeder team 60 pt season etc. gets shipped to buffalo hits the spotlight, makes the playoffs a few straight years, signs a 8 year 50 plus mil with philly, didnt know he existed till 2005...

agreeed, flyers should be looking for diamonds in the rough...matty carle and braydon coburn were unknowns practically before they got to philly.
- Flyers4Life88

Not true at all. Coburn was the 8th overall pick in probably the best draft class of all time.

Carle was a Hobey Baker winner, and put up 42 points in his rookies season.

Interesting transactions for Rundblad:

June 25, 2010: Traded to Ottawa by St. Louis for Ottawa's 1st round choice (Vladimir Tarasenko) in 2010 Entry Draft, June 25, 2010.

December 17, 2011: Traded to Phoenix by Ottawa with Ottawa's 2nd round choice (later traded to Columbus - later traded to Philadelphia - Philadelphia selected Anthony Stolarz) in 2012 Entry Draft for Kyle Turris, December 17, 2011.
- NickTheKid87

One way to look at these transactions is that Rundblad must be a pretty good talent to get those kind of returns. The other way to look at it is he could be a bum, but I doubt it. He is only 22 and has excelled at every level except the NHL todate and I personally believe it is only a matter of time and that is why I would love to see him in orange and black. Our pointmen on the pp is very sad. Believe me Rundblad is an upgrade to the over the hill Timmonen a this point in time. Kimmo is only average now and JV93 is still in Europe.

I know he came from Colorado. My point is Columbus is as low as you can go and it is hard to become a star on a bottom feeder. Do you think Derrick Brassard would have been a major flog like he has if he was in St. Louis or Detroit? I doubt it. The Colorado trade also involved Erik Johnson so it was a pretty even deal.
- flyerdude17

I think if you're going to be a good player, you'll be a good player. How many highly toted guys struggle on one team, are traded, and still struggle? Don't really think were you play has all that much to do with your progression. Maybe a small amount but not enough to make a star into a 3rd line forward or 3rd pairing dman.

example...danny b 1st round pick in 96 by pheonix...plays reasonably good years on a bottom feeder team 60 pt season etc. gets shipped to buffalo hits the spotlight, makes the playoffs a few straight years, signs a 8 year 50 plus mil with philly, didnt know he existed till 2005...
- Flyers4Life88

Terrrrible example.. You are talking about a guy who blossomed in the post lockout NHL. Small, shifty, quick, great shot... PERFECT for the NEW NHL.

I think if you're going to be a good player, you'll be a good player. How many highly toted guys struggle on one team, are traded, and still struggle? Don't really think were you play has all that much to do with your progression. Maybe a small amount but not enough to make a star into a 3rd line forward or 3rd pairing dman.
- NickTheKid87

I think if you're going to be a good player, you'll be a good player. How many highly toted guys struggle on one team, are traded, and still struggle? Don't really think were you play has all that much to do with your progression. Maybe a small amount but not enough to make a star into a 3rd line forward or 3rd pairing dman.
- NickTheKid87

you gotta get the guy who will yield the largest possible return (pts productivty etc) that no one, not even the team he is currently on now, knows about

Not true at all. Coburn was the 8th overall pick in probably the best draft class of all time.

Carle was a Hobey Baker winner, and put up 42 points in his rookies season.
- jak521

Coburn got traded because he was basically a bust in Atlanta and Carle was the beneficary of a very strong offensive team. I love Coburn but do not miss Carle one bit. Carle, however is once again is in a very high powered offense and should do well. Put him in say Columbus and he is a wussy and a bust, always was a wussy.

example...danny b 1st round pick in 96 by pheonix...plays reasonably good years on a bottom feeder team 60 pt season etc. gets shipped to buffalo hits the spotlight, makes the playoffs a few straight years, signs a 8 year 50 plus mil with philly, didnt know he existed till 2005...
- Flyers4Life88

Briere had two good years in a row before getting dealt to Buffalo and he then his best two seasons points per game wise came immediately after the lockout (05/06 and 06/07) when everyone's numbers were inflated because of the new rules. Also, he was 28 and 29 years old which is generally a player's prime.

Terrrrible example.. You are talking about a guy who blossomed in the post lockout NHL. Small, shifty, quick, great shot... PERFECT for the NEW NHL.
- jak521

1st round pick, 60 pts in pheonix...no spotlight flew under the radar...coburn flew under the radar, carle under the radar.

you gotta get the guy who will yield the largest possible return (pts productivty etc) that no one, not even the team he is currently on now, knows about
- Flyers4Life88

That's called a crap-shoot

I'm not against it either.

One way to look at these transactions is that Rundblad must be a pretty good talent to get those kind of returns. The other way to look at it is he could be a bum, but I doubt it. He is only 22 and has excelled at every level except the NHL todate and I personally believe it is only a matter of time and that is why I would love to see him in orange and black. Our pointmen on the pp is very sad. Believe me Rundblad is an upgrade to the over the hill Timmonen a this point in time. Kimmo is only average now and JV93 is still in Europe.
- flyerdude17

Yea.. the guy who, you know, has played 3 games this season with no points, and has been scratched for 5 is better, RIGHT NOW, than Kimmo, who leads the team d in points (28th in the league for d-men) and is our TOI leader on D....

1st round pick, 60 pts in pheonix...no spotlight flew under the radar...coburn flew under the radar, carle under the radar.
- Flyers4Life88

No counter-points for him on Carle or Coburn?

Coburn got traded because he was basically a bust in Atlanta and Carle was the beneficary of a very strong offensive team. I love Coburn but do not miss Carle one bit. Carle, however is once again is in a very high powered offense and should do well. Put him in say Columbus and he is a wussy and a bust, always was a wussy.
- flyerdude17

Coburn played 38 games in Atlanta and was 21 when he got to Philly. Defensemen generally progress slower than forwards. They had to give up some assets for Carle as well including Steve Downie.

1st round pick, 60 pts in pheonix...no spotlight flew under the radar...coburn flew under the radar, carle under the radar.
- Flyers4Life88

Carle was the main piece that got Boyle to SJ. Not really flying under the radar.. at all.

Coburn for Zhitnik is still one of the worst trades this millenium. Atl quit on a young d-man. He never had a chance there.....

Briere's transition to elite player was simply a result of the rule changes making players of his ilk perfect for the NHL.

One way to look at these transactions is that Rundblad must be a pretty good talent to get those kind of returns. The other way to look at it is he could be a bum, but I doubt it. He is only 22 and has excelled at every level except the NHL todate and I personally believe it is only a matter of time and that is why I would love to see him in orange and black. Our pointmen on the pp is very sad. Believe me Rundblad is an upgrade to the over the hill Timmonen a this point in time. Kimmo is only average now and JV93 is still in Europe.
- flyerdude17

I would be more than willing to trade for Rundblad if the price is right.

Coburn got traded because he was basically a bust in Atlanta and Carle was the beneficary of a very strong offensive team. I love Coburn but do not miss Carle one bit. Carle, however is once again is in a very high powered offense and should do well. Put him in say Columbus and he is a wussy and a bust, always was a wussy.
- flyerdude17

Youre serious... holy poop. God bless your soul.

That's called a crap-shoot

I'm not against it either.
- NickTheKid87

low risk (cap hit) high return

I really thought Homer would have pulled the trigger on a trade by today. I have a feeling he is going to hold off and try to do his dealings this summer which I think is a very wise move. I don't think we will be drafting anyone in the firt 2 rounds(I know we have a first and 2 seconds), I think they will be gone due to Homer trading them for players. Now that players can talk a week eariler, I think Homer will trade these picks to make sure he gets who he wants.