Sabres having talks for Kessel????
- Sabres2012CUP

Do you have a slim shred of anything to back that up? Hockeyyyyyinsiderrrrrr doesn't count

interesting read and quote from a league exec.

http://espn.go.com/blog/n...and-we-aint-talking-wings

Sabres having talks for Kessel????
- Sabres2012CUP

says who?

Sabres having talks for Kessel????
- Sabres2012CUP

says who?

Do you have a slim shred of anything to back that up? Hockeyyyyyinsiderrrrrr doesn't count
- keptupl8

no...not really...I was asking Homer beacuse I thought I saw it somewhere that they were interested

no...not really...I was asking Homer beacuse I thought I saw it somewhere that they were interested
- Sabres2012CUP

I guess anything is possible, but it doesn't seem like a Darcy move, or a Nonis move.

He does no doubt about it.
Raffi Torres- Had 19 goals before he was traded here, played close to 20 games here no goals.
Dominic Moore- 12 goals and 41 pts in 63 games, grabbed 1 goal and 4 pts in 18 under Ruff.
Brad Boyes- 12 goals and 41 pts in 65 games prior to Buffalo trade.
in 86 games here, had just 13 goals and 37 pts.
Danius Zubrus- 20 goals in 60 games in Wash, averages a goal per every 3 games. Moves to Buffalo (the highest scoring team in the NHL) and his average goes to a goal every 5 games. Plus goes goaless in the playoffs
- sbroads24

Come on dude...
You're cherry picking stats...

Zubrus-
Since leaving Buffalo, has a goal every 5.57 games, even worse than when with Ruff... And prior to that 20g in 60games season, He was nothing special. Only other season he cracked 20goals was immediately after the lockout... So did Ruff RUIN him, or we're his stats temporarily inflated in a looser post-lockout?

Boyes-
Has been on a steady decline for at least 2yrs before he came to Buffalo... If u include the season before he was traded to us also, 26g in 144games... That works out to be 15goals over an 82 game season, hardly anything to get excited about... And neith is the whole 3 goals in 10games this year

Moore-
Did have a broken wrist with us, but aside from that he was never that good to begin with... A career high of 17pts before that one decent season when he was traded to us... Since his best has been 32pts... How can Ruff ruin a guy who's never really produced offensively?

Torres-
All right, I'll give this one... Even though he's been nothing special since leaving here (14 & 15 goal seasons), I'll agree it seemed Ruff used him horribly by almost immediately bumping him down to the 4th line... But even so, 14 games is a small sample size to claim Ruff "ruined" him

This idea that Ruff ruins players is way overblown
If a ruff is so terrible,
How is it that a "lazy" Vanek has managed to be 7th in goals scored since he came into the league?
If Ruff's style is so offensively stifling, how is it that Pominville out scored MANY "superstars" last year?
(btw, the list would surprise you... It includes E.Staal, Parise, D.Sedin, P.Kane, Perry, and many many more)
Link...
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...mary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv

I guess anything is possible, but it doesn't seem like a Darcy move, or a Nonis move.
- keptupl8

Two old men: "heh heh heh. They'll never see it coming. Heh heh heh."

I like the Sabres lineup. Last night when they started to put forth the effort they looked like a solid team. The problem is, it does not happen nearly enough. That is a coaching issue. We don't need new players-we need a new coach. We could be this years version of the Kings!

Come on dude...
You're cherry picking stats...

Zubrus-
Since leaving Buffalo, has a goal every 5.57 games, even worse than when with Ruff... And prior to that 20g in 60games season, He was nothing special. Only other season he cracked 20goals was immediately after the lockout... So did Ruff RUIN him, or we're his stats temporarily inflated in a looser post-lockout?

Boyes-
Has been on a steady decline for at least 2yrs before he came to Buffalo... If u include the season before he was traded to us also, 26g in 144games... That works out to be 15goals over an 82 game season, hardly anything to get excited about... And neith is the whole 3 goals in 10games this year

Moore-
Did have a broken wrist with us, but aside from that he was never that good to begin with... A career high of 17pts before that one decent season when he was traded to us... Since his best has been 32pts... How can Ruff ruin a guy who's never really produced offensively?

Torres-
All right, I'll give this one... Even though he's been nothing special since leaving here (14 & 15 goal seasons), I'll agree it seemed Ruff used him horribly by almost immediately bumping him down to the 4th line... But even so, 14 games is a small sample size to claim Ruff "ruined" him

This idea that Ruff ruins players is way overblown
If a ruff is so terrible,
How is it that a "lazy" Vanek has managed to be 7th in goals scored since he came into the league?
If Ruff's style is so offensively stifling, how is it that Pominville out scored MANY "superstars" last year?
(btw, the list would surprise you... It includes E.Staal, Parise, D.Sedin, P.Kane, Perry, and many many more)
Link...
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...mary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv
- jdfitz77

You are in the wrong blog if you are gonna defend Lindy. I would suggest maybe joining a Sabres.com blog. You can offer your support with all 3 other supporters out there.

Like I said the other day. They need to sit down with the big three, find out what their plans are.

My guess is Pommer is the only one that plans on staying. Mover the other 2 for a kings ransom and pull a Philly with a quick re-tooling.
- dadeadhead

Hmmm...
It's def an idea worth debating...
Would we be better off keeping the "big3" to mentor all the young talent coming up?
I think I'd like to keep them all
But we certainly could get A TON for each of them

I don't think I'd wanna ship them out for picks and prospects,
But if we could get good younger players for them that would be worth considering...
Say E.Kane + for vanek, D.Brown + for Pommer, trades like that?

Regier def has some interesting decisions to make this offseason
They each need to be either extended or traded,
I don't wanna be in a situation like Anaheim is this year with Perry & Getzlaf

Hmmm...
It's def an idea worth debating...
Would we be better off keeping the "big3" to mentor all the young talent coming up?
I think I'd like to keep them all
But we certainly could get A TON for each of them

I don't think I'd wanna ship them out for picks and prospects,
But if we could get good younger players for them that would be worth considering...
Say E.Kane + for vanek, D.Brown + for Pommer, trades like that?

Regier def has some interesting decisions to make this offseason
They each need to be either extended or traded,
I don't wanna be in a situation like Anaheim is this year with Perry & Getzlaf
- jdfitz77

I agree...would it just be better to trade all 3 in the offseason and start from scratch?

Its definatley intriguing because we could get an absolute HAUL for the three of them

You are in the wrong blog if you are gonna defend Lindy. I would suggest maybe joining a Sabres.com blog. You can offer your support with all 3 other supporters out there.
- JPlatt915

Hahahaha
Look, I'm ok with firing Lindy
I just think A LOT of the things said about him are unsubstantiated and more out of frustration than what's actually true

Doesn't matter who Dominic Moore's coach is,
The guy is a border-line 3rd liner at best
That's just who he is
It isn't Lindys fault

All that said, I'm OK with a change in coaching...
Without a change in personnel (perticularly defense), I'm not how much better any coach will be able to do though

I agree...would it just be better to trade all 3 in the offseason and start from scratch?

Its definatley intriguing because we could get an absolute HAUL for the three of them
- Sabres2012CUP

One would be a significant shake-up and surprising. Two or all 3 would mean that Pegula, Black and Devine got together and hired a new GM.

You are in the wrong blog if you are gonna defend Lindy. I would suggest maybe joining a Sabres.com blog. You can offer your support with all 3 other supporters out there.
- JPlatt915

How long is too long? 15 seasons and he sniffed the cup once.

8 coaches that have won the cup since Lindy Ruff has been our coach are no longer with those teams. 6 of them were fired shortly after winning.

interesting read and quote from a league exec.

http://espn.go.com/blog/n...and-we-aint-talking-wings
- Sabres2012CUP

Thanks, that was a good read...
Sounds to me like Regier is trying, but other GMs are kinda gun shy right now
Hopefully maybe we can do something a little more subtle, but that could still help...
Something like swap one of our "offensive" defensemen for a "defensive" one
Or trade some of our defensive depth for a 3rd/4th line center that can win faceoffs

A couple move like that could be a big help
Then closer to the deadline if a big trade presents itself we go after it from there

Hey emm effers

Hey emm effers
- Bleed B&G

hey new guy. Welcome to hockeybuzz

I agree...would it just be better to trade all 3 in the offseason and start from scratch?

Its definatley intriguing because we could get an absolute HAUL for the three of them
- Sabres2012CUP

It's def gonna be a tough decision bc Vanek & Pommer are playing the best hockey of their careers right now

Miller is actually the toughest choice in my book
He's the oldest, but shipping out a Goalie of his caliber with no replacement could be a disaster...
Doesn't matter how good the rest of your team is if you don't have a guy in the pipes that can get it done...
Ask Philly fans how many cups they would've won if they had a "Miller-quality" goalie all these years since way back when they traded for Lindros
And what is it that's preventing Edmonton & the Islanders from taking the next step with all that young talent?
Goaltending IMO

hey new guy. Welcome to hockeybuzz
- keptupl8

Thank you. Ive seen this place before but have always been scared of what's inside

Thanks, that was a good read...
Sounds to me like Regier is trying, but other GMs are kinda gun shy right now
Hopefully maybe we can do something a little more subtle, but that could still help...
Something like swap one of our "offensive" defensemen for a "defensive" one
Or trade some of our defensive depth for a 3rd/4th line center that can win faceoffs

A couple move like that could be a big help
Then closer to the deadline if a big trade presents itself we go after it from there
- jdfitz77

a "quiet" marking to me means nobody wants our crap

Come on dude...
You're cherry picking stats...

Zubrus-
Since leaving Buffalo, has a goal every 5.57 games, even worse than when with Ruff... And prior to that 20g in 60games season, He was nothing special. Only other season he cracked 20goals was immediately after the lockout... So did Ruff RUIN him, or we're his stats temporarily inflated in a looser post-lockout?

Boyes-
Has been on a steady decline for at least 2yrs before he came to Buffalo... If u include the season before he was traded to us also, 26g in 144games... That works out to be 15goals over an 82 game season, hardly anything to get excited about... And neith is the whole 3 goals in 10games this year

Moore-
Did have a broken wrist with us, but aside from that he was never that good to begin with... A career high of 17pts before that one decent season when he was traded to us... Since his best has been 32pts... How can Ruff ruin a guy who's never really produced offensively?

Torres-
All right, I'll give this one... Even though he's been nothing special since leaving here (14 & 15 goal seasons), I'll agree it seemed Ruff used him horribly by almost immediately bumping him down to the 4th line... But even so, 14 games is a small sample size to claim Ruff "ruined" him

This idea that Ruff ruins players is way overblown
If a ruff is so terrible,
How is it that a "lazy" Vanek has managed to be 7th in goals scored since he came into the league?
If Ruff's style is so offensively stifling, how is it that Pominville out scored MANY "superstars" last year?
(btw, the list would surprise you... It includes E.Staal, Parise, D.Sedin, P.Kane, Perry, and many many more)
Link...
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...mary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv
- jdfitz77

Clarke Macarthur, Ruff never wanted to give him proper ice time, he has scored 20+ goals both seasons after leaving Buffalo, 0 20 goal seasons with Ruff. The notion he gets the most out of players are the opposite.

Come on dude...
You're cherry picking stats...

Zubrus-
Since leaving Buffalo, has a goal every 5.57 games, even worse than when with Ruff... And prior to that 20g in 60games season, He was nothing special. Only other season he cracked 20goals was immediately after the lockout... So did Ruff RUIN him, or we're his stats temporarily inflated in a looser post-lockout?

Boyes-
Has been on a steady decline for at least 2yrs before he came to Buffalo... If u include the season before he was traded to us also, 26g in 144games... That works out to be 15goals over an 82 game season, hardly anything to get excited about... And neith is the whole 3 goals in 10games this year

Moore-
Did have a broken wrist with us, but aside from that he was never that good to begin with... A career high of 17pts before that one decent season when he was traded to us... Since his best has been 32pts... How can Ruff ruin a guy who's never really produced offensively?

Torres-
All right, I'll give this one... Even though he's been nothing special since leaving here (14 & 15 goal seasons), I'll agree it seemed Ruff used him horribly by almost immediately bumping him down to the 4th line... But even so, 14 games is a small sample size to claim Ruff "ruined" him

This idea that Ruff ruins players is way overblown
If a ruff is so terrible,
How is it that a "lazy" Vanek has managed to be 7th in goals scored since he came into the league?
If Ruff's style is so offensively stifling, how is it that Pominville out scored MANY "superstars" last year?
(btw, the list would surprise you... It includes E.Staal, Parise, D.Sedin, P.Kane, Perry, and many many more)
Link...
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...mary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv
- jdfitz77

Cant blame Ruff for Torres. Torres arrived here terribly out of shape and he admitted as much.

Come on dude...
You're cherry picking stats...

Zubrus-
Since leaving Buffalo, has a goal every 5.57 games, even worse than when with Ruff... And prior to that 20g in 60games season, He was nothing special. Only other season he cracked 20goals was immediately after the lockout... So did Ruff RUIN him, or we're his stats temporarily inflated in a looser post-lockout?

Boyes-
Has been on a steady decline for at least 2yrs before he came to Buffalo... If u include the season before he was traded to us also, 26g in 144games... That works out to be 15goals over an 82 game season, hardly anything to get excited about... And neith is the whole 3 goals in 10games this year

Moore-
Did have a broken wrist with us, but aside from that he was never that good to begin with... A career high of 17pts before that one decent season when he was traded to us... Since his best has been 32pts... How can Ruff ruin a guy who's never really produced offensively?

Torres-
All right, I'll give this one... Even though he's been nothing special since leaving here (14 & 15 goal seasons), I'll agree it seemed Ruff used him horribly by almost immediately bumping him down to the 4th line... But even so, 14 games is a small sample size to claim Ruff "ruined" him

This idea that Ruff ruins players is way overblown
If a ruff is so terrible,
How is it that a "lazy" Vanek has managed to be 7th in goals scored since he came into the league?
If Ruff's style is so offensively stifling, how is it that Pominville out scored MANY "superstars" last year?
(btw, the list would surprise you... It includes E.Staal, Parise, D.Sedin, P.Kane, Perry, and many many more)
Link...
http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...mary#?navid=nav-sts-indiv
- jdfitz77

Thanks for the effort, but there is no point in using words or intelligent examples of what you are talking about to convince others on here that are convinced of something that may or may not be...

Clarke Macarthur, Ruff never wanted to give him proper ice time, he has scored 20+ goals both seasons after leaving Buffalo, 0 20 goal seasons with Ruff. The notion he gets the most out of players are the opposite.
- sbroads24

The teams in Buffalo that Macarthur was on had no room for him to move up in the lineup.... You might also remember all of the negatives associated with his young game, including but not limited to, defensive lapses, neutral zone turnovers, lack of playing in the "dirt", to name a few