cherry defends rinaldo
maclean disagrees
- Crimsoninja

Neither one mentions Vincent Lecavalier continuing to hit Max Talbot while he was laying on his side on the ice.

Nah maybe Cousins he has no points right now but they are down 1 - 0 to Peterborough early in the 2nd.
- ob18

Laughton's hot right now...don;t wait.

Laughton's hot right now...don;t wait.
- Jsaquella

I believe we need to add.. his value will neverbe higher.

Nah maybe Cousins he has no points right now but they are down 1 - 0 to Peterborough early in the 2nd.
- ob18

cousins with a goal

Laughton's hot right now...don;t wait.
- Jsaquella

I'm selfish he stays.

How about Taylor Leier of the Portland Winterhawks he scored twice last night giving him 22 goals in 48 games.

cousins with a goal
- Crimsoninja

Just saw the update. He's having a hell of a season.

He now just added an assist

I'm selfish he stays.

How about Taylor Leier of the Portland Winterhawks he scored twice last night giving him 22 goals in 48 games.
- ob18

All three for Iggy and JBouw

If we dig deeper into the +/-, we can see the disparity is partly due to special teams play.

Salo has been on the ice for 18 of Tampa's goals. Carle for 17 and Hedman for 16. However, 7 of the goals that Carle's been on the ice for have been PPG, which means he doesn't get a + for those goals.

Hedman and Salo have been out for 3 PPGs for. Which means instead of losing 7 + points, they only lose 3 each. So the highest possible rating for each now is +15 for Salo, +13 for Hedman and +10 for Carle. Now, for TB goals against, Carles' been out for 12 GA. Hedman & Salo for 8 each. However, 3 of the goals against for Carle and Salo were PPG by the other team. 5 of the goals scored by Tampa opponents when Hedman is on the ice have been PPGs.


So Carle's +/- is hurt because of the team's PP success when he's on ice. And Hedman is helped because more than half the goals against scored with him on the ice don;t affect his +/- at all.
- Jsaquella

+/- is only a measure of even strength with a slight advantage to PP killers since they get a + for a goal and no - for a goal against.

All three for Iggy and JBouw
- Jsaquella

Make that 2 assists for Laughton

+/- is only a measure of even strength with a slight advantage to PP killers since they get a + for a goal and no - for a goal against.
- jstross

Exactly what I was pointing out. Carle loses 7+ because he's been on for 7 PPGs. Hedman is helped because 5 of the goals against have been scored when he's on the PK

JVR scores.

JVR!

Make that 2 assists for Laughton
- ob18

Maybe we can trade all three for a real goal scorer...James van Riemsdyk just scored his 7th

2013 draft eligible and Downingtown, PA native Jimmy Lodge has 1 goal 2 assist so far for the Saginaw Spirit mid 2nd.

Maybe we can trade all three for a real goal scorer...James van Riemsdyk just scored his 7th
- Jsaquella

untouchable

Maybe we can trade all three for a real goal scorer...James van Riemsdyk just scored his 7th
- Jsaquella

Nope he needed the move to a place with less presser to be successful like Toronto

Nope he needed the move to a place with less presser to be successful like Toronto
- ob18

Want to know the truth? He's had regular linemates and doesn't get dropped to the 4th line as soon as he has a bad shift.

Want to know the truth? He's had regular linemates and doesn't get dropped to the 4th line as soon as he has a bad shift.
- Jsaquella

Yup, nobody here let him build confidence long enough to show what he could do

Yup, nobody here let him build confidence long enough to show what he could do
- ob18

Also Fill Kessle has turned into Wayne Gretzky

Yup, nobody here let him build confidence long enough to show what he could do
- ob18

once he showed what he did vs BOS, it would always be risky trading him without giving him a solid line slot and showing patience. hopefully, we'll be saying similar things about luke.

That's true. The Flyers are lacking a puck moving defenseman. Will Gustafsson save the day? Probably not. He will skate the puck up the ice which is his biggest asset.
- stveshdy

I think this fixation on the supposed need for a "puck moving defsenseman" is kind of misguided. I mean, look at today's game for example. Grossman and Schenn, two guys perceived to be the more defense oriented, stay at home types, repeatedly made solid puck moving plays, both passing and skating, out of the defensive zone...they also joined the play offensively a few times, while also playing solid, physical defense...Timonen moved the puck well. So, what was it Carle was doing that's so lacking now (besides turnovers and taking the puck instead of the man)? We already know Timonen can move the puck with aplomb, Coburn has the wheels and to do it...Mez is more than capable of moving the puck...I mean really, is a high priced puck moving specialist the biggest priority? I'd rather have a guy like Foster at <$1 mil) around to add depth and fill in some gaps (RH, pp, bomb from the pt). The guy put up 42pts in 71 games three seasons ago. Fk Matt Carle and his $5.5 mil.

I think this fixation on the supposed need for a "puck moving defsenseman" is kind of misguided. I mean, look at today's game for example. Grossman and Schenn, two guys perceived to be the more defense oriented, stay at home types, repeatedly made solid puck moving plays, both passing and skating, out of the defensive zone...they also joined the play offensively a few times, while also playing solid, physical defense...Timonen moved the puck well. So, what was it Carle was doing that's so lacking now (besides turnovers and taking the puck instead of the man)? We already know Timonen can move the puck with aplomb, Coburn has the wheels and to do it...Mez is more than capable of moving the puck...I mean really, is a high priced puck moving specialist the biggest priority? I'd rather have a guy like Foster at <$1 mil) around to add depth and fill in some gaps (RH, pp, bomb from the pt). The guy put up 42pts in 71 games three seasons ago. Fk Matt Carle and his $5.5 mil.
- phantasm

I'd like more mobility. Foster scares me, especially when he's paired with Grossmann.

I think this fixation on the supposed need for a "puck moving defsenseman" is kind of misguided. I mean, look at today's game for example. Grossman and Schenn, two guys perceived to be the more defense oriented, stay at home types, repeatedly made solid puck moving plays, both passing and skating, out of the defensive zone...they also joined the play offensively a few times, while also playing solid, physical defense...Timonen moved the puck well. So, what was it Carle was doing that's so lacking now (besides turnovers and taking the puck instead of the man)? We already know Timonen can move the puck with aplomb, Coburn has the wheels and to do it...Mez is more than capable of moving the puck...I mean really, is a high priced puck moving specialist the biggest priority? I'd rather have a guy like Foster at <$1 mil) around to add depth and fill in some gaps (RH, pp, bomb from the pt). The guy put up 42pts in 71 games three seasons ago. Fk Matt Carle and his $5.5 mil.
- phantasm

I really liked Schenn's game today.. (missed the 3rd and ot) makin some good plays in his zone and hitting.

I think this fixation on the supposed need for a "puck moving defsenseman" is kind of misguided. I mean, look at today's game for example. Grossman and Schenn, two guys perceived to be the more defense oriented, stay at home types, repeatedly made solid puck moving plays, both passing and skating, out of the defensive zone...they also joined the play offensively a few times, while also playing solid, physical defense...Timonen moved the puck well. So, what was it Carle was doing that's so lacking now (besides turnovers and taking the puck instead of the man)? We already know Timonen can move the puck with aplomb, Coburn has the wheels and to do it...Mez is more than capable of moving the puck...I mean really, is a high priced puck moving specialist the biggest priority? I'd rather have a guy like Foster at <$1 mil) around to add depth and fill in some gaps (RH, pp, bomb from the pt). The guy put up 42pts in 71 games three seasons ago. Fk Matt Carle and his $5.5 mil.
- phantasm

the ability to consistently make outlet passes tape-to-tape is an essential quality in a dman that is lacking somewhat with our current crew. it makes forwards lives a lot easier and is among the best ways to counter an aggressive forecheck.