accidents happen?
blind squirrel...nut?
- OrangeBlack27

Not the case. More times then not, when Shelley is in the lineup. He plays his position well, makes the plays needed on puck along the wall. Is solid in his positioning. And in this case, if Orr is in the lineup. He's there to handle any of that. I have no problem with Shelley in the lineup for tonight's game.

Not saying I agree with the lineup decision, but I suspect that Laviolette trusts Shelley more than Sestito in a high-adrenaline atmosphere not to take extra minor penalties beyond a fighting major. I also think Laviolette mistrusts Sestito in his own end of the ice.

Not the case. More times then not, when Shelley is in the lineup. He plays his position well, makes the plays needed on puck along the wall. Is solid in his positioning. And in this case, if Orr is in the lineup. He's there to handle any of that. I have no problem with Shelley in the lineup for tonight's game.
- MJL

curious to see who comes out of the lineup, but regardless, i'd rather dress hockey players and render the leafs' goons useless.

LMAO, you realize how slow Schenn is right? And how much faster Kessel is? Schenn throws pillow fists too so i'm pretty sure he's not scaring anyone out there but his own goaltender .
- Rysko81

I'm sure Crosby thought the same thing. Unless your perception of hockey is that every skilled player is Anton Ohno skating fast in a circle, every player becomes vulnerable.

curious to see who comes out of the lineup, but regardless, i'd rather dress hockey players and render the leafs' goons useless.
- OrangeBlack27

Well I guess we disagree that Shelley isn't a Hockey player. And I don't see how not dressing a player renders a "goon" useless. If he's out there running your players, that could be an issue.

Not saying I agree with the lineup decision, but I suspect that Laviolette trusts Shelley more than Sestito in a high-adrenaline atmosphere not to take extra minor penalties beyond a fighting major. I also think Laviolette mistrusts Sestito in his own end of the ice.
- bmeltzer

I also think that Shelley is a better 4th line situational Hockey player then Sestito is.

Not the case. More times then not, when Shelley is in the lineup. He plays his position well, makes the plays needed on puck along the wall. Is solid in his positioning. And in this case, if Orr is in the lineup. He's there to handle any of that. I have no problem with Shelley in the lineup for tonight's game.
- MJL

Let me help.

That is typically not the case when Shelley is in the lineup. He plays his position well and makes the plays needed on the puck against the wall.

He is also solid in his positioning, which is a strong point I want to make because I already said it. Nevertheless, Shelley is in the lineup to handle any of Orr's nonsense. I have no problem with that.

Sestito's "one move":



Shelley's "one move":

Well I guess we disagree that Shelley isn't a Hockey player. And I don't see how not dressing a player renders a "goon" useless. If he's out there running your players, that could be an issue.
- MJL

i know it's age-old hockey lore that enforcers somehow prevent players from "taking liberties", but personally, i think it's crap.

and to be honest, if caryle is dumb enough to run some goons out there against one of our skill lines, i'll be happy as hell because 99% of the time, that just means toronto will be pinned in their own end.

i know it's age-old hockey lore that enforcers somehow prevent players from "taking liberties", but personally, i think it's crap.

and to be honest, if caryle is dumb enough to run some goons out there against one of our skill lines, i'll be happy as hell because 99% of the time, that just means toronto will be pinned in their own end.
- OrangeBlack27

why would carlyle do that?

i know it's age-old hockey lore that enforcers somehow prevent players from "taking liberties", but personally, i think it's crap.

and to be honest, if caryle is dumb enough to run some goons out there against one of our skill lines, i'll be happy as hell because 99% of the time, that just means toronto will be pinned in their own end.
- OrangeBlack27

I agree and disagree. I think it is stupid that if someone makes a run at your player, the response is that two goons fight to make things right.

What I think is more appropriate is that the entire team of the victimized player goes after the perpetrator. For the stunt pulled against Simmonds, Erkskine shouldn't have been allowed to breathe. To me, that is old time hockey.

why would carlyle do that?
- Flyers4Life88

exactly. so, instead of matching goon-for-goon, we can just have fedotenko and talbot play against their fourth line and still pin them in their own end.

exactly. so, instead of matching goon-for-goon, we can just have fedotenko and talbot play against their fourth line and do pretty well.
- OrangeBlack27

yeah there is no prior incident that i can think of that would lead to the targeting of our star players...

Hey Leaf fans,
Can you tell me about Kostka and Holzer?
I haven't had the chance to see them play.

i know it's age-old hockey lore that enforcers somehow prevent players from "taking liberties", but personally, i think it's crap.

and to be honest, if caryle is dumb enough to run some goons out there against one of our skill lines, i'll be happy as hell because 99% of the time, that just means toronto will be pinned in their own end.
- OrangeBlack27

I think it is crap also. Nobody can prevent that. But what can happen is that if another team's enforcer is taking liberties on the players on your team. Somebody is going to have to stand up to him at some point. Who do you want that to be? Do you want Rinaldo or Simmonds to have to challenge Orr? And possibly sustain some type of injury. Simmonds is just coming off of a concussion. If Shelley takes him on, and is injured, then it's not a big loss. He is more capable of taking on a guy like Orr. And I don't buy that the Flyers are at a disadvantage in having Shelley in the game versus Sestito. For the limited minutes that either will likely play. I don't want Shelley in the lineup full time. But for a situation like this, I have no problem with it. And if you're never going to use Shelley in the lineup. Why have him around?

I'm having a really fun time trolling the Flyers' Facebook right now.

i know it's age-old hockey lore that enforcers somehow prevent players from "taking liberties", but personally, i think it's crap.

and to be honest, if caryle is dumb enough to run some goons out there against one of our skill lines, i'll be happy as hell because 99% of the time, that just means toronto will be pinned in their own end.
- OrangeBlack27

Pretty sure Colton Orr doesn't give two (frank)s who's dressed for the Flyers. If he wants to run Giroux, he will.

It's asinine to dress a "goon" as a reaction to that threat. However, there's not much difference between Shelley and Sestito, if those are the only two options. I have no problem with Shelley in the line-up if the reason is because Sestito isn't doing the work in the defensive zone.

yeah there is no prior incident that i can think of that would lead to the targeting of our star players...
- Flyers4Life88

There doesn't need to be a prior incident for a guy like Orr to go around the ice like a knucklehead and try to push people around.

Is Colton Orr actually playing well enough to warrant a regular shift?

I mean....don't we, as Flyers fans, want the Leafs to trot that meatball out there for a regular shift?

I think it is crap also. Nobody can prevent that. But what can happen is that if another team's enforcer is taking liberties on the players on your team. Somebody is going to have to stand up to him at some point. Who do you want that to be? Do you want Rinaldo or Simmonds to have to challenge Orr? And possibly sustain some type of injury. Simmonds is just coming off of a concussion. If Shelley takes him on, and is injured, then it's not a big loss. He is more capable of taking on a guy like Orr. And I don't buy that the Flyers are at a disadvantage in having Shelley in the game versus Sestito. For the limited minutes that either will likely play. I don't want Shelley in the lineup full time. But for a situation like this, I have no problem with it. And if you're never going to use Shelley in the lineup. Why have him around?
- MJL

colton orr taking a run at plekanac when his team is up 5-0 with 2 min left in the game, then continues to punch borque square in the face after the fact...thats the type of stupid play i hate watching. Orr's actions result in absolutely no beneficial way and if I was his teammate i would let all 5 guys on MTL kick his ass for ruining the integrity of the game

Pretty sure Colton Orr doesn't give two (frank)s who's dressed for the Flyers. If he wants to run Giroux, he will.

It's asinine to dress a "goon" as a reaction to that threat. However, there's not much difference between Shelley and Sestito, if those are the only two options. I have no problem with Shelley in the line-up if the reason is because Sestito isn't doing the work in the defensive zone.
- bradleyc4

yeah, but neither shelley nor sestito played saturday, so who comes out? rinaldo? they seem to love him.

colton orr taking a run at plekanac when his team is up 5-0 with 2 min left in the game, then continues to punch borque square in the face after the fact...thats the type of stupid play i hate watching. Orr's actions result in absolutely no beneficial way and if I was his teammate i would let all 5 guys on MTL kick his butt* for ruining the integrity of the game
- Flyers4Life88

colton orr taking a run at plekanac when his team is up 5-0 with 2 min left in the game, then continues to punch borque square in the face after the fact...thats the type of stupid play i hate watching. Orr's actions result in absolutely no beneficial way and if I was his teammate i would let all 5 guys on MTL kick his butt* for ruining the integrity of the game
- Flyers4Life88

Pretty sure Colton Orr doesn't give two (frank)s who's dressed for the Flyers. If he wants to run Giroux, he will.

It's asinine to dress a "goon" as a reaction to that threat. However, there's not much difference between Shelley and Sestito, if those are the only two options. I have no problem with Shelley in the line-up if the reason is because Sestito isn't doing the work in the defensive zone.
- bradleyc4

why is the choice btwn sestito and shelley is someone else injured?

colton orr taking a run at plekanac when his team is up 5-0 with 2 min left in the game, then continues to punch borque square in the face after the fact...thats the type of stupid play i hate watching. Orr's actions result in absolutely no beneficial way and if I was his teammate i would let all 5 guys on MTL kick his ass for ruining the integrity of the game
- Flyers4Life88

There's a perfect example. Who is going to be the one to try and kick his ass? Who do you want potentially breaking a hand on a helmet, or on his granite head? Or pulling a shoulder? Simmonds, Rinaldo, or Shelley? I know who I would choose to put in that predicament to stand up for his teammates.