a player like B. schenn has more of an ability to change the game with his physicality.
- Flyers4Life88

Very true, he goes out and lays a few big hits, that can change the flow of a game as much as a fight.

Thank you for soaring some brain cells in order to retain good examples like this.
- Flyskippy

Well, in my PCS addled condition I have some lucid moments.

a reasonable expectation
- isaiah520

I don't mind them dressing Shelley, because he's not a guy that will hurt them by taking some shifts. The flip side of the coin is, he's not likely to help much, either

I see a few issues with this-first, Shelley isn't going to be the one running or grtting chippy with the Leafs skill guys. If you want to play Shelley against the JvR-Kessel line, I'm pretty sure Randy Carlyle would have a 4 hour erection. If there's going to be a Flyer that agitates and gets under the skin of the Leafs skill players, it's going to be Rinaldo.

Second. Shelley's presence isn't going to deter Orr from doing anything. Orr isn't worried that he'll have to answer to Shelley. You think that Orr cares that he'll have to fight Shelley if he gets a clear shot to nail Giroux?

The best way to counter a guy like Orr is to simply skate away from him and let him take idiotic penalties. Like when Carcillo laughed at him and got Orr put in the box for four minutes a few years ago-the Flyers converted that PP and got the win.
- Jsaquella

Leafs will get the last change, so if they want to play their skill guys against our 4th line; it's their prerogative. And you're clearly taking a statement of mine and taking it to an extreme if you somehow thought I said that we would play Shelley against their top line at every chance. There are going to be scenarios where the two lines will cross paths; just as there will be with Orr and G's line; it happens in the course of a hockey game.

You can say 'til you're blue in the face that Shelley won't deter Orr; it doesn't make it a fact. We're not in the players' heads or in the locker rooms, so we can only go off of what we witness on the ice. No one is saying that Orr is afraid of Shelley, and that is not what I was conveying. But Orr will have to take it into consideration. If I take a big shot on Giroux, I better believe that one of their players will target one of my star teammates. It's how hockey was played and it's how it is still played. Legal hit or not, players will always have to pay for their physical play. Whether the response is Shelley fighting Orr or Rinaldo/Schenn(x2) taking a run at Kessel is at the discretion of the Flyers.

And of course I have no qualms with the Flyers trying to be the bigger man and skating away from some of the foolish stuff after the whistle. That should always be their first response. But like I said, Orr can take a clean shot at Giroux, hurt him, and not get tagged with a penalty. In scenarios like that, it still deserves a response from the Flyers.

Well, in my PCS addled condition I have some lucid moments.
- Jsaquella

Sheesh, here I assumed you were all better. Apologies for insensitivity on my part.

I haven't seen him yet this year. i'm just stating how he played in Toronto.
If a guy was slow enough.. GOOD NIGHT IRENE!
But if the opp/ player had any speed, usually he'd blow by Schenn and have a clear path to the net, or a 2 on 1 setup. Whenever the leafs would play a slower team, we would rave about Schenn and how he was improving. Whenever he'd go face to face agaisnt a guy like Giroux, we'd be talking about how he struggled defensively.

The reports I have read out of Philly, suggest that hasn't really changed.
- B-Wforever

I hear you but my point was a good read on a play as it is developing would negate the other players speed. Kind of like seeing the play right before it happens.

Hackles are up... Flyers fans are turning on one another...

I sense a win.

Orr can take a clean shot at Giroux, hurt him, and not get tagged with a penalty. In scenarios like that, it still deserves a response from the Flyers.
- steelydan

here is where it matters

Very true, he goes out and lays a few big hits, that can change the flow of a game as much as a fight.
- Jsaquella

yeah play the game hard take the body, if they're skating with their head down make them pay. its a pretty simple concept idk why more player dont do it

Very true, he goes out and lays a few big hits, that can change the flow of a game as much as a fight.
- Jsaquella

Please no more B Schenn fights. Definately not one of his strong suits.

I thought he made his point well enough that this wasn't necessary.
- Scoob

Are you kidding? The original post did to the English language what Kevin Bacon did to those four victimized boys in the movie Sleepers.

Leafs will get the last change, so if they want to play their skill guys against our 4th line; it's their prerogative. And you're clearly taking a statement of mine and taking it to an extreme if you somehow thought I said that we would play Shelley against their top line at every chance. There are going to be scenarios where the two lines will cross paths; just as there will be with Orr and G's line; it happens in the course of a hockey game.

You can say 'til you're blue in the face that Shelley won't deter Orr; it doesn't make it a fact. We're not in the players' heads or in the locker rooms, so we can only go off of what we witness on the ice. No one is saying that Orr is afraid of Shelley, and that is not what I was conveying. But Orr will have to take it into consideration. If I take a big shot on Giroux, I better believe that one of their players will target one of my star teammates. It's how hockey was played and it's how it is still played. Legal hit or not, players will always have to pay for their physical play. Whether the response is Shelley fighting Orr or Rinaldo/Schenn(x2) taking a run at Kessel is at the discretion of the Flyers.

And of course I have no qualms with the Flyers trying to be the bigger man and skating away from some of the foolish stuff after the whistle. That should always be their first response. But like I said, Orr can take a clean shot at Giroux, hurt him, and not get tagged with a penalty. In scenarios like that, it still deserves a response from the Flyers.
- steelydan

If there needs to be a response, use Rinaldo, who can actually catch the faster players and lay a hit on them.

Shelley fighting Orr after the fact isn't going to stop Orr. Orr has and likely will continue to take on any and all comers. He knows that his fighting skills are a large part of his continued NHL employment, so I doubt that he gives it a second thought.

Shelley fighting Orr is usually a sideshow, the result of somebody else running a star player and the goons fighting one another to justify their jobs. Hell look at last week-Rinaldo fought Matt Hendricks, who had nothing to do with Erskine's elbow to Simmonds head.

what about wallace when is his meeting?

I don't mind them dressing Shelley, because he's not a guy that will hurt them by taking some shifts. The flip side of the coin is, he's not likely to help much, either
- Jsaquella

as you skillfully pointed out, the idea of dressing shelley to match orr is an exercise in futility.

Please no more B Schenn fights. Definately not one of his strong suits.
- Stinkfitz

No, Brayden Schenn shouldn't fight anyone. He's not good at it.

I don't know why everyone feels Suter would have been a homerun if he came here. Compare his career with Coburn, Mez and Carle and there is not much difference between them. This year he is struggling a bit.
Weber was for his scoring skills. He is also struggling but will regain form soon.
- strongsupporter

Suter would have been the perfect heir apparent to Timonen. Similar type of player, both with exceptional defensive awareness and hockey sense.

Please no more B Schenn fights. Definately not one of his strong suits.
- Stinkfitz

He's not the worst in the league, though...

If there needs to be a response, use Rinaldo, who can actually catch the faster players and lay a hit on them.

Shelley fighting Orr after the fact isn't going to stop Orr. Orr has and likely will continue to take on any and all comers. He knows that his fighting skills are a large part of his continued NHL employment, so I doubt that he gives it a second thought.

Shelley fighting Orr is usually a sideshow, the result of somebody else running a star player and the goons fighting one another to justify their jobs. Hell look at last week-Rinaldo fought Matt Hendricks, who had nothing to do with Erskine's elbow to Simmonds head.
- Jsaquella

Thanks for reiterating my earlier post.

Please no more B Schenn fights. Definately not one of his strong suits.
- Stinkfitz

fighting and checking two different things...just cuz he lays a big hit doesnt mean he has to fight afterwards... Ie.) drew doughty on datsyuk yesterday

here is where it matters
- eshake

How does it matter? Orr's job is to fight. It's likely he won't be the one taking the run at a Flyers star, but will have to fight Shelley because another Leaf did.

How does that settle anything?

what about wallace when is his meeting?
- Don'tForgetTocchet

McGinn lived, so it was cancelled.

He's not the worst in the league, though...


- tangent_man

I must have watched that clip 100x's last year. he had to get harrased in the locker room after the game.

Suter would have been the perfect heir apparent to Timonen. Similar type of player, both with exceptional defensive awareness and hockey sense.
- bradleyc4

exceptional defensive awareness and hockey sense. How do you measure this and how does it differ from the three people I mentionned . Stats are all very similar. Others didn't have Weber as a linemate.

fighting and checking two different things...just cuz he lays a big hit doesnt mean he has to fight afterwards... Ie.) drew doughty on datsyuk yesterday
- Flyers4Life88

Agreed. He plays the body well but also seems to like to throw dukes and i would like to see that part of his game come to an end.

Are you kidding? The original post did to the English language what Kevin Bacon did to those four victimized boys in the movie Sleepers.
- Daman

This board will never be confused with englishmajors.com. No need to be a Richard.