nope.. it would be grabo and a prospect.

they need D tho.. nhl quality D

i imagine thats what the avs are looking for
- Dozzer

Well....Liles played in Colorado!

By the way, he was effing brutal last night. I really want to fall in love with him again, but when you pinch and give up a 3 on 0, and then you can't even skate back in time to pick up the 3rd guy who trails and bangs home the rebound, you need to go sit on the bench for a while and think about what you have done.

Uggie is having a party.

No one is going to show, but whatever.
- Atomic Wedgie

Oh, let's let him have this. He's had to bottle up his rage for 5 games now. That can't be healthy.

I don't think it would cost that much if Grabo was part of a deal. Grabo and Gunnersson would likely get it done. But I'm not sold on trading Grabovski. I love that guy!
- steve362

yeah me too.. but ya gotta give to get.. and really.. cant have two 5million dollar second line centres

and thats why i threw colborne in as well. so long as the avs added the 2nd. if kadri and o'reilly were both part on the leafs those are your top 6 centres. so you might as well move colborne while he still has value and hasnt become a career AHLer yet.

yeah me too.. but ya gotta give to get.. and really.. cant have two 5million dollar second line centres

and thats why i threw colborne in as well. so long as the avs added the 2nd. if kadri and o'reilly were both part on the leafs those are your top 6 centres. so you might as well move colborne while he still has value and hasnt become a career AHLer yet.
- Dozzer

Top 6 of Kessel, Lupul, O'Reilly, Kadri, Frattin, JVR.

Not too bad.

Still missing a #1 center, though

In terms of cap hit, he's currently the 20th highest paid centre in the league.

No way around this fact: he's overpaid. I understand that the Leafs had to overpay, because if he walked, we'd be deader than a doornail, but still.

If you are going to propose Grabbo in a deal, you have to be willing to eat some salary, or give up something else to increase his value.

$5.5 million cap hit on a 2nd line centre is just waaaaaaay too much.
- Atomic Wedgie

i know.. look at the entire deal i proposed.

grabo, gunnar, and colborne for O'reilly and a second

2 NHLers, one to fit the centre hole left by O'rielly, and a steady NHL d-man

with a nice forward prospect tossed in as well.

thats a good return for an unsigned RFA

Well....Liles played in Colorado!

By the way, he was effing brutal last night. I really want to fall in love with him again, but when you pinch and give up a 3 on 0, and then you can't even skate back in time to pick up the 3rd guy who trails and bangs home the rebound, you need to go sit on the bench for a while and think about what you have done.
- Atomic Wedgie

i do wonder if the leafs will buy him out.. thats alot of contract to eat tho.. so i wont be convinced of it til i see it.

In terms of cap hit, he's currently the 20th highest paid centre in the league.

No way around this fact: he's overpaid. I understand that the Leafs had to overpay, because if he walked, we'd be deader than a doornail, but still.

If you are going to propose Grabbo in a deal, you have to be willing to eat some salary, or give up something else to increase his value.

$5.5 million cap hit on a 2nd line centre is just waaaaaaay too much.
- Atomic Wedgie

Steve downie?

Trade Grabo and Gardiner + colborne for O'Reilly and Downie + 2nd?

Top 6 of Kessel, Lupul, O'Reilly, Kadri, Frattin, JVR.

Not too bad.

Still missing a #1 center, though
- Feeling Glucky?

kadri's eventual role.

he's damn near a PPG pace getting 3rd line minutes. i think he has a legit shot of becoming a first line centre truthfully. not right away.. but i like what i am seeing.

Steve downie?

Trade Grabo and Gardiner + colborne for O'Reilly and Downie + 2nd?
- A_Tree

Steve downie?

Trade Grabo and Gardiner + colborne for O'Reilly and Downie + 2nd?
- A_Tree

I think Downie is injured still.

Top 6 of Kessel, Lupul, O'Reilly, Kadri, Frattin, JVR.

Not too bad.

Still missing a #1 center, though
- Feeling Glucky?

I'm going to defy conventional thinking for a second and argue that you could build a winner with two good top 6 centers, even if neither are great.

You just need to surround them with size and talent (easier said than done, obviously).

But let's just say you could land Perry and O'Reilly. Would our lack of an elite #1C stand out as such a glaring problem?

Yeah, would have been amazing if Skinner broke his neck because of a useless knuckledragger!!!

So worth it!
- Pecafan Fan

knuckledragger??? Why because he tougher than Emelin with his cage on?

so you think gardiner = bonifide number 1 center?
- dragus84

not straight up....I just mean I don't think O'Reilly is a bonifide number 1.
We already have 3 number 2 centremen

I think Downie is injured still.
- Pecafan Fan

Didn't he suffer a season ending injury??

kadri's eventual role.

he's damn near a PPG pace getting 3rd line minutes. i think he has a legit shot of becoming a first line centre truthfully. not right away.. but i like what i am seeing.
- Dozzer

I agree, actually. Tenacity, insane skill, physicality. Only things holding him back are size(not the biggest issue), faceoff skills, and defense.

Kadri can be our #1 center.... but then the question is, why acquire O'Reilly?

Do we think he's going to put up the same numbers in a #2 shutdown or #3 offense role?

I think Downie is injured still.
- Pecafan Fan

True. I don't think they really have to 'dump salary', if you look at their cap breakdown - very good position. Leafs just need to offer up talent for the future. I'm not sure they're concerned about winning NOW.

Probably a good indication that this is not the right team to deal with right now...

Top 6 of Kessel, Lupul, O'Reilly, Kadri, Frattin, JVR.

Not too bad.

Still missing a #1 center, though
- Feeling Glucky?

exactly

- AdamFrench

Adam's last post.. He left this world the way he came in.... Happy...

I'm going to defy conventional thinking for a second and argue that you could build a winner with two good top 6 centers, even if neither are great.

You just need to surround them with size and talent (easier said than done, obviously).

But let's just say you could land Perry and O'Reilly. Would our lack of an elite #1C stand out as such a glaring problem?
- Leeman4Gilmour

In a dream world?

I think Downie is injured still.
- Pecafan Fan

Gone for the year.

Didn't he suffer a season ending injury??
- Fruitcakenipple

Possible. Knee I believe?

not straight up....I just mean I don't think O'Reilly is a bonifide number 1.
We already have 3 number 2 centremen
- Barx

fair enough, not saying I want to ship Gardiner anywhere...

but I do like Oreilly.

I see your point though, if we are going to ship a blue chip prospect, it would make sense to package it in order to obtain a 1C.

That being said, I don't think too many teams are willing to move their 1C at all...

With the distance he was from the boards, it should have been called as boarding.
- Pecafan Fan

now you can't hit a guy who is trying to take a shot on net? Wow you got up on the wrong side of the bed..or did your parents finally tell you the 1st 22 Stanley's the habs won were boughten anybody outside of Quebec knows and has zero respect for the so called 24 Stanley's?

kadri's eventual role.

he's damn near a PPG pace getting 3rd line minutes. i think he has a legit shot of becoming a first line centre truthfully. not right away.. but i like what i am seeing.
- Dozzer

Me too.

I think you need to give him some huge wingers to compensate, but man, that kid can have his moments.

In terms of cap hit, he's currently the 20th highest paid centre in the league.

No way around this fact: he's overpaid. I understand that the Leafs had to overpay, because if he walked, we'd be deader than a doornail, but still.

If you are going to propose Grabbo in a deal, you have to be willing to eat some salary, or give up something else to increase his value.

$5.5 million cap hit on a 2nd line centre is just waaaaaaay too much.
- Atomic Wedgie

You are absolutely spot on here.

If the deal for O'Reilly centered (no pun intended) around Grabo, you're probably looking at shipping out a prospect, too.

Grabo and a surplus d-man? Maybe a pick, as well? I'd do that deal easily.