I wasn't going to answer.
- Pecafan Fan

Thanks, really I don't get what the Cups have to do with anything.

you know, it's a telltale sign that when fans are constantly throwing the same (frank)ing player into every single trade proposal (in this case Gunnarsson) that they find him completely and utterly useless. now if fans think this, what are the odds that the opposing team's GM and pro scouts don't see the same thing?
- scotch_tape

obviously it wouldnt JUST be Gunnarson...who said he was useless?

I think I've seen lots of posts where fans think he is the Leafs most steady!!!

go cry on the habs site...I think they are trying to get some new rules about owning any and all players in the Q!!!

Um, ok. and now back to soccer.
- burn

I can't wait for the day that every bit of contact in the NHL is a boarding penalty.

Then they replace the nets with hoops and the ice with hardwood.

interesting how no one questions Oreilly's heart or character for holding out while Subban was labelled as a self-centered, locker room cancer for doing so...

Dude, that is uncalled for, please stop. It was his opinion and although I disagree, we moved on.
- LeafMan

But I would like some clarification on how 22 of the 24 Cups were boughten.

I always thought the Habs earnitified them.

The flip side to that as he's seeing 3rd line minutes he's also probably not playing against the top pairing dmen and a shutdown line. But, I agree, I've been impressed with him. Not convinced he's top line franchise centre good but he could be kind of a 1a/b centre guy...maybe.
- deerow84

i have said the same thing many times before

however he is seeing those d-men on the PP

and he has been paired up against the top pairing guys on the road when carlyle doesnt get last shift. the frattin kadri combo is no secret to opposition coaches.. they know they need to shut them down

anyways.. in a couple years is when he will realize this potential.. i didnt mean right now

Avs apparently want a roster player and a high end type prospect as well? Probably have to think a little bigger.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Because the way trades work is one team sets a demand and another team must meet it. There is always a negotiation. And the Avs aren't exactly dealing with a lot of leverage: they have a guy coming off a career year who wants a big pay day and is willing to hold out to get it and some reports are saying that he has requested a trade and doesn't want to play for the Avs anymore. THis isn't a team trying to pry a highly valued asset from another team...it's a team that basically has to trade a guy to get something in return for him or he'll hold out all season and I don't know about how it works after that but I assume if he holds out all year he becomes a UFA or at least his value will be virtually nothing.

That's not to say they should take a 3rd round pick for him and be happy for it but it also means that they have to either take less in return than they would receive under ideal conditions, take some bad salary back or give up additional assets to sweeten the pot a bit.

interesting how no one questions Oreilly's heart or character for holding out while Subban was labelled as a self-centered, locker room cancer for doing so...
- Pecafan Fan

I didn't mind Subban holding out, for what it's worth.

And he was underpaid.

I can't wait for the day that every bit of contact in the NHL is a boarding penalty.

Then they replace the nets with hoops and the ice with hardwood.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Really? I'm waiting for the day when chainsaws come out of the boards and spikes erupt through the blue lines.

interesting how no one questions Oreilly's heart or character for holding out while Subban was labelled as a self-centered, locker room cancer for doing so...
- Pecafan Fan

While I agree with you, the Habs really didn't help themselves when they made it known immediately after the ink was dry they sat down and told Subban that he needed to start putting the team before his own ego, and then banned the low 5s.

Nice way to pour some gasoline on the fire.

I'm not quite sure what Subban did to piss off the world.

punks drank 'black label' back in the day cause it made them all indie and whatnot.....hipsters like pabst for the same reason....they are wild and crazy and refuse to conform.
- Barx

only 1 reason to drink pabst..$1/bottle

But I would like some clarification on how 22 of the 24 Cups were boughten.

I always thought the Habs earnitified them.
- Atomic Wedgie

Will have to remain a mystery but I'm curious to now, lol.

interesting how no one questions Oreilly's heart or character for holding out while Subban was labelled as a self-centered, locker room cancer for doing so...
- Pecafan Fan

Subban's character was in question long before the holdout... the holdout confirmed and escalated that thought

interesting how no one questions Oreilly's heart or character for holding out while Subban was labelled as a self-centered, locker room cancer for doing so...
- Pecafan Fan

cause subban is a douche.





just effin with you.

While I agree with you, the Habs really didn't help themselves when they made it known immediately after the ink was dry they sat down and told Subban that he needed to start putting the team before his own ego, and then banned the low 5s.

Nice way to pour some gasoline on the fire.

I'm not quite sure what Subban did to piss off the world.
- Atomic Wedgie

Well, it was a bit weird, but, seeing as he's got 6 points in 7 games, 3 goals, I guess his ego wasn't bruised by it.

interesting how no one questions Oreilly's heart or character for holding out while Subban was labelled as a self-centered, locker room cancer for doing so...
- Pecafan Fan

For the record I agree. I definitely wouldn't be against getting O'Reilly but this is a factor that I would consider. That and the price we'd have to pay to get him and his cap hit. Overall I think he'd be worth it depending on those items but I'm not ignoring his potential character flaws.

interesting how no one questions Oreilly's heart or character for holding out while Subban was labelled as a self-centered, locker room cancer for doing so...
- Pecafan Fan

have you ever watched Subbans on ice antics? Practice antics?

His own players when asked about him signing declined comment.

I'm not sure you really need an answer for your question, I believe you already knew!

Subban's character was in question long before the holdout... the holdout confirmed and escalated that thought
- dragus84

How so?

He was playing 25 minutes per game last season as the (default) #1 dman on the Habs. I don,t think you'll find a lot of habs fans questioning his character at that time.

I didn't mind Subban holding out, for what it's worth.

And he was underpaid.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I was really surprised what he signed for, then I read a few tweets from "insiders" saying that is his last contract with the Habs, will be interesting that's for sure. I think he is a really good player for what it's worth.

Well, it was a bit weird, but, seeing as he's got 6 points in 7 games, 3 goals, I guess his ego wasn't bruised by it.
- Pecafan Fan

I was really impressed by his on-air performances - kid's a natural in front of the camera.

Because the way trades work is one team sets a demand and another team must meet it. There is always a negotiation. And the Avs aren't exactly dealing with a lot of leverage: they have a guy coming off a career year who wants a big pay day and is willing to hold out to get it and some reports are saying that he has requested a trade and doesn't want to play for the Avs anymore. THis isn't a team trying to pry a highly valued asset from another team...it's a team that basically has to trade a guy to get something in return for him or he'll hold out all season and I don't know about how it works after that but I assume if he holds out all year he becomes a UFA or at least his value will be virtually nothing.

That's not to say they should take a 3rd round pick for him and be happy for it but it also means that they have to either take less in return than they would receive under ideal conditions, take some bad salary back or give up additional assets to sweeten the pot a bit.
- deerow84

Added wrinkle here: are the Avs a poorly run organization?

I seem to recall Peter Stastny tearing a strip off of them for the way they botched their rebuild.

For the record I agree. I definitely wouldn't be against getting O'Reilly but this is a factor that I would consider. That and the price we'd have to pay to get him and his cap hit. Overall I think he'd be worth it depending on those items but I'm not ignoring his potential character flaws.
- deerow84

At the same time, maybe he simply doesn't like Colorado. Who knows.

I was really impressed by his on-air performances - kid's a natural in front of the camera.
- Atomic Wedgie

He sure likes them, no doubt about that.

How so?

He was playing 25 minutes per game last season as the (default) #1 dman on the Habs. I don,t think you'll find a lot of habs fans questioning his character at that time.
- Pecafan Fan

I didn't say his play was in question...

Personally, I think the Leafs need to stop being idle. I'm not sure this team is bad enough to fix the problem in the draft, and is obviously not good enough to continue on. Orielly is at least possibly a solution I don't think anyone can deny that when he is only 21 years old.
- Leafland

Idle is fine if they are waiting for someone in the system but at this point they have no one...
Chances are that player isn't gonna be there at FA unless u think it's someone like Weiss so the only ans is to trade for someone..

Who's available via trade??