so, just because he did that commercial, he forfeited all right to negotiate and should have accepted what was offered blindly?
- scotch_tape

Way to be a blowhard. Everyone who saw that commercial could see the irony.

I don't know enough about O'Reilly to be able to say what he is or isn't but after watching the Staal brothers smother Leafs centres twice this year I'm all for targeting someone who can counter that kind of strength down the middle.
- The Law

This.

As good as Bozak and Grabo are supposed to be on the defensive side of the game, the brothers were all over them last two games and won all the battles.

EDIT: I realize finding 6'3" skilled/star centres isn't easy, but it seems the Leafs are one of the few teams that does not have at least one dominate centre. Don't know anything about OR, so doubt he is anywhere near the answer to the problem.

so, just because he did that commercial, he forfeited all right to negotiate and should have accepted what was offered blindly?
- scotch_tape

Way to be a blowhard. Everyone who saw that commercial could see the irony.

Do you think Montreal could get him for Diaz?
and Diaz is actually playing in the NHL

so yes he is worth more then that
- Oilhab

- Feeling Glucky?

exactly

- Feeling Glucky?

Seriously, he can't stay on the leafs roster consistently... and trading him for a 55pts forward sounds realistic to you?

So how's everyone today? I hope we're all not freaking out over one loss. poop games happen. Didn't see the game, seem to miss the stinkers (didn't see the Ranger game). In fact, I think I've only caught the Islander loss of all the losses. I'm looking forward to tomorrow night.

If any team is looking for a guy who doesn't complaining about riding the bus back and forth to the minors, the leafs have a pro at it in Gardiner.

Seriously, he can't stay on the leafs roster consistently... and trading him for a 55pts forward sounds realistic to you?
- Pecafan Fan

Are we talking Gardiner? Frattin couldn't stay on the Leafs roster either, and look how he did. Just saying that doesn't really apply in Gardiner's case at all, use another argument like: O"Reilly put up 55 points.

Though, isn't sherman the guy who moved Chris Stewart and Kevin Shattenkirk for Erik Johnson?

Yeah, I'd say so. They both have just one great season under their belt, but O'Reilly has two other seasons in the NHL, so more of a track record, and he's younger.

Also, he'd be an amazing addition to the Leafs. A guy looking like he could be an amazing two way first line centre in a few years.
- Dirte

I don't see O'Reilly being a top-line center.


Again, you hand a guy top-line minutes, his assists are going to go up. It doesn't mean he had a break-out year, it just means that the guys he was completing normal passes to were more likely to put goals into the net, and he had more opportunity to pass the puck.

We saw the exact same thing with Stajan.

Obviously the guy is skilled, but he's a defense-first player, and not offensively gifted enough to be that #1 center that you'd see on a contending team.

He'd fit perfectly as the 2nd line shut-down guy that Carlyle uses, which is why the Leafs would love him, and why a Grabo+ deal could work.

Get Stastny, not O'Reilly. That's my vote. Costs less in a trade, and he's American

So how's everyone today? I hope we're all not freaking out over one loss. poop games happen. Didn't see the game, seem to miss the stinkers (didn't see the Ranger game). In fact, I think I've only caught the Islander loss of all the losses. I'm looking forward to tomorrow night.
- mykokes

Can you please start watching more games then?

Can you please start watching more games then?
- walshyleafsfan

Wife made me watch a Vampire Diary Marathon instead

Seriously, he can't stay on the leafs roster consistently... and trading him for a 55pts forward sounds realistic to you?
- Pecafan Fan

Out of the Leafs' lineup... recovering from a concussion. Not because of a lack of skill.


55 point center for a 30 point defenseman(in his rookie season)

Wife made me watch a Vampire Diary Marathon instead
- mykokes

I ended up watching Pretty (frank)ing Woman. Just checking in now and again on the score

I don't see O'Reilly being a top-line center.


Again, you hand a guy top-line minutes, his assists are going to go up. It doesn't mean he had a break-out year, it just means that the guys he was completing normal passes to were more likely to put goals into the net, and he had more opportunity to pass the puck.

We saw the exact same thing with Stajan.

Obviously the guy is skilled, but he's a defense-first player, and not offensively gifted enough to be that #1 center that you'd see on a contending team.

He'd fit perfectly as the 2nd line shut-down guy that Carlyle uses, which is why the Leafs would love him, and why a Grabo+ deal could work.
- Feeling Glucky?

Why doesn't that work with Bozak? he played with 2 wingers that collectively scored 150 points, but he only had 20 some assists?

Do you think Montreal could get him for Diaz?
and Diaz is actually playing in the NHL

so yes he is worth more then that
- Oilhab

Diaz is a 27 year old crappy depth Dman and will never be more than that. Gardiner obviously carries a hell of a lot more value than that. He's playing in the AHL right now because he had a concussion, and needs to get back to speed. Add to that that the Leafs have too many Dmen. Diaz would be in the AHL if he were in the Leafs organization too.

Why doesn't that work with Bozak? he played with 2 wingers that collectively scored 150 points, but he only had 20 some assists?
- Oilhab

The thing that drives me nuts about Bozak is he force feeds passes to Kessel. The guy is a good player when he tries to do the scoring himself. He's not a playmaker.

Diaz is a 27 year old crappy depth Dman and will never be more than that. Gardiner obviously carries a hell of a lot more value than that. He's playing in the AHL right now because he had a concussion, and needs to get back to speed. Add to that that the Leafs have too many Dmen. Diaz would be in the AHL if he were in the Leafs organization too.
- Dirte

I wouldn't go that far. He's very similar to Mark Streit. Not as good, but by far not a crappy depth d-man.

Why doesn't that work with Bozak? he played with 2 wingers that collectively scored 150 points, but he only had 20 some assists?
- Oilhab

Because he's not that offensively gifted either. Nobody's calling him a 1st line center, and O'Reilly would undoubtedly be an improvement.... but why give up a lot of pieces for a guy that's not going to fit in the role either?

Worth noting though that Bozak missed time last season, and would have likely had similar numbers had he played a full season.

Out of the Leafs' lineup... recovering from a concussion. Not because of a lack of skill.


55 point center for a 30 point defenseman(in his rookie season)
- Feeling Glucky?

He has been sent back to the minors like 10 times, he is having problems making a leafs defense. He was given a chance last year, and he proved he can put up 23 second assists, while tallinng up a -30?

That guys awesome!

exactly
- Oilhab

You equated Diaz to Gardiner(actually implied Diaz is worth more). That's what I'm laughing at.


Fraser is playing a regular shift in the NHL. Fraser>Tinordi?

Diaz is a 27 year old crappy depth Dman and will never be more than that. Gardiner obviously carries a hell of a lot more value than that. He's playing in the AHL right now because he had a concussion, and needs to get back to speed. Add to that that the Leafs have too many Dmen. Diaz would be in the AHL if he were in the Leafs organization too.
- Dirte

im not trolling, but hasnt gardiner been ready for a few games now...i keep seeing tweets that he is ready to play but the org hasnt called him back up yet?

anyways colorado is going to ask for more than just gardiner straight up...I like Gardiner, but the Avs are looking for more than that i think....

Because he's not that offensively gifted either. Nobody's calling him a 1st line center, and O'Reilly would undoubtedly be an improvement.... but why give up a lot of pieces for a guy that's not going to fit in the role either?

Worth noting though that Bozak missed time last season, and would have likely had similar numbers had he played a full season.
- Feeling Glucky?

He's just not a playmaking centre. Kadri is, he isn't. Bozak's got some good moves, he can dangle and score when he wants to, but it seems he's got this thing when playing with kessel, he just has to get the puck off his own stick and onto phils, all the time!

You equated Diaz to Gardiner(actually implied Diaz is worth more). That's what I'm laughing at.


Fraser is playing a regular shift in the NHL. Fraser>Tinordi?
- Feeling Glucky?

Tinordi was never sent down. YET.