Gardiner is very responsible defensively. He was even used as one of the top PK guys last year.

You can deny it all you want, but Diaz is a 27 year old depth dman that wouldn't even make the Leafs roster. If you want parralels, he is more like a poor man's Kostka.
- Dirte

you have to look beyond the age, not every team holds young un realized potential as the Be all end all of trading as some leaf fans do.

Oilhab isnt stupid.. he knows damn well Diaz isnt even near the value of Gardiner.. he was goading you guys
- Dozzer

Then ban him for trolling.

you have to look beyond the age, not every team holds young un realized potential as the Be all end all of trading as some leaf fans do.
- Oilhab

How about I just look at how Diaz sucks and if you're lucky you'll get a 7th round pick for him?

Hunting the brothers.
- AdamFrench

I'm going back and forth with work so I didn't catch it, is this cross blog attacks?

edit: I see it now.

You mean a -2? You are out to lunch if you think he's not on the roster because he isn't good enough...
That is like saying Markov struggles to make the Habs roster.

I would take Gardiner over 8 of the Habs 10 current D. Soon to be 9 when Markovs glass knees blow out.
- markmark

you are right i misread the stat sheet, don't know where i saw - 30. so he is not as terrible defensively, that's good to know.

I forgot how overpowering the Leafs D is to leaf such a superstar off the roster.

My bad

Gardiner is very responsible defensively. He was even used as one of the top PK guys last year.

You can deny it all you want, but Diaz is a 27 year old depth dman that wouldn't even make the Leafs roster. If you want parralels, he is more like a poor man's Kostka.
- Dirte

Is this the same PK unit that had that fabulous 77% efficiency rate?
Norris.

Not implying he is better, but

Diaz is on pace for 33 points in 48 games, will he get it, hell no.
but all he has to do is get 20 points in 48 games and that is better then what Gardiner did.

This is the first year that Diaz has been given any sort of consistent ice time as well. Just like Gardiner got last year.

And Diaz is actually responsible defensively.

Neither are worthy of being traded straight up for O'Rielly

You can deny it all you want but there are parrallels between the mighty Gardiner and Diaz

and that is not saying much for Gardiner

Gardiner has more time to develop into something better which is the plus, but it could go the other way aswell, you never know what could happen with a prospect
- Oilhab

just stop

diaz vs gardiner is a poor comparison the way you are doing it.

diaz at gardiner's age? he was playing in the Swiss A league and he managed to rack up a whole 14 points in 50 games

stop this now. you arent this stupid to make such weak arguments so i will be forced to assume you are trolling.

Yeah, and they're (frank)ed.

Edit: Timonen and Coburn are ahead of him. Add Grossman too. Meszaros too when healthy.
- Pecafan Fan

LIAR! You're right about the other two though.

Not implying he is better, but

Diaz is on pace for 33 points in 48 games, will he get it, hell no.
but all he has to do is get 20 points in 48 games and that is better then what Gardiner did.

This is the first year that Diaz has been given any sort of consistent ice time as well. Just like Gardiner got last year.

And Diaz is actually responsible defensively.

Neither are worthy of being traded straight up for O'Rielly

You can deny it all you want but there are parrallels between the mighty Gardiner and Diaz

and that is not saying much for Gardiner

Gardiner has more time to develop into something better which is the plus, but it could go the other way aswell, you never know what could happen with a prospect
- Oilhab

Diaz doesn't skate nearly as well and Gardiner is young lots of time to get stronger and improve defensively.

I'm going back and forth with work so I didn't catch it, is this cross blog attacks?

edit: I see it now.
- LeafMan

It's a cretin with about 6 accounts all (Team/rocks/rules71)

Then ban him for trolling.
- Dirte

i can make up my own mind thank you very much

you have to look beyond the age, not every team holds young un realized potential as the Be all end all of trading as some leaf fans do.
- Oilhab

Already said he was a Streit comparable, just nowhere near as good. As for Gardiner, you're out to lunch with your -30 and sent down 10 times points.

Not even close to being ready, as you probably know. Seen him play with the 1000 games the Marlies have played the bulldogs this year, he needs to use that reach and size better, players are going outside on him a lot. Still learning and is young, should be okay after another or so year in the AHL.
- LeafMan

From what I saw from him at his first pro camp last year, he has progressed. He had constantly his head in his skates. Still ways to go, but another year in the AHL should help him.

you are right i misread the stat sheet, don't know where i saw - 30. so he is not as terrible defensively, that's good to know.

I forgot how overpowering the Leafs D is to leaf such a superstar off the roster.

My bad
- Oilhab

You mean the terrible D that allowed... what... 0 goals against the powerhouse offense of the Habs.

We realize that the butthurt is going to sting for quite some time so I'll let you keep believing what you want for now.

just stop

diaz vs gardiner is a poor comparison the way you are doing it.

diaz at gardiner's age? he was playing in the Swiss A league and he managed to rack up a whole 14 points in 50 games

stop this now. you arent this stupid to make such weak arguments so i will be forced to assume you are trolling.
- Dozzer

See all you care about is age.

Yes age is important, and Gardiner has that on his side, that is a big plus.

I don't give a poop about Diaz, but based on what Gardiner has done so far, he is not leaps and bounds better then Diaz is at this moment

Hopefully he will be and hopefully he will get that chance to show he is better then 30 points in one year and hopefully he stops riding the bus back to the A

But you are not getting O'rielly for Gardiner straight up no way no how

From what I saw from him at his first pro camp last year, he has progressed. He had constantly his head in his skates. Still ways to go, but another year in the AHL should help him.
- stinger67

The one thing I can say about him is he doesn't back down from anybody.

You mean the terrible D that allowed... what... 0 goals against the powerhouse offense of the Habs.

We realize that the butthurt is going to sting for quite some time so I'll let you keep believing what you want for now.
- markmark

Greatest Leaf Week Ever!

This.

As good as Bozak and Grabo are supposed to be on the defensive side of the game, the brothers were all over them last two games and won all the battles.

EDIT: I realize finding 6'3" skilled/star centres isn't easy, but it seems the Leafs are one of the few teams that does not have at least one dominate centre. Don't know anything about OR, so doubt he is anywhere near the answer to the problem.
- vermie22

There are about 15 teams in the same boat. Don't worry.

See all you care about is age.

Yes age is important, and Gardiner has that on his side, that is a big plus.

I don't give a poop about Diaz, but based on what Gardiner has done so far, he is not leaps and bounds better then Diaz is at this moment

Hopefully he will be and hopefully he will get that chance to show he is better then 30 points in one year and hopefully he stops riding the bus back to the A

But you are not getting O'rielly for Gardiner straight up no way no how
- Oilhab

Is Sherman the guy who moved EJ for Shattenkirk and Stewart?

Yeah, he's the Flyers #2 d-man. Boohoo.
- mykokes

He isn't.

Just because he plays with the #1 guy, it doesn't make him the #2 guy.

By your logic, Kostka is the Leafs' #2 guy.

Greatest Leaf Week Ever!
- Oilhab

I understand. If the game was the other way around I would be in the Engles thread talking about how Subban is a 9th pairing defensman at best.

See all you care about is age.

Yes age is important, and Gardiner has that on his side, that is a big plus.

I don't give a poop about Diaz, but based on what Gardiner has done so far, he is not leaps and bounds better then Diaz is at this moment

Hopefully he will be and hopefully he will get that chance to show he is better then 30 points in one year and hopefully he stops riding the bus back to the A

But you are not getting O'rielly for Gardiner straight up no way no how
- Oilhab

i think it would be close, might have to add a second

See all you care about is age.

Yes age is important, and Galchenyuk has that on his side, that is a big plus.

I don't give a poop about Bozak, but based on what Galchenyuk has done so far, he is not leaps and bounds better then Bozak is at this moment

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- Oilhab

Fixed.

Already said he was a Streit comparable, just nowhere near as good. As for Gardiner, you're out to lunch with your -30 and sent down 10 times points.
- mykokes

10 times was an exageration, because i saw the list and didn't want to count how many times he actually has been, zomg it has only been 6 times sent to the A
So much better

The one thing I can say about him is he doesn't back down from anybody.
- LeafMan

not the best fighter though