So were giving up all that for a guy whos accomplished 8 more pts than bozak last year while bozak missed 8 games playing 73 games while O'Rielly played 81 games
- Mapleleafs_91

...and now Bozak is finding his groove as a faceoff master and getting better defensively...and looks to be improving from his days where his +/- matched Winnipeg's average daily winter temperature.

i have thought about this

with rielly in the system and liles signed for 3 more years gardiner becomes an expendable piece.

gardiner and colborne would be fair imo

avs get a blue liner they need and a centre to fill the void
- Dozzer

Liles is the odd man out, A package based around Gardiner would get you more than O'reilly.

If you could get O'Reilly without giving up Gardiner, would you do it???
- mikeinbuffalo

One answer, "Yes". You have to take a gamble, to get elite talent. Is O'Reilly elite? Not yet, but he's only 21. He has the tools to be a top end defensive forward. He also has some offensive flair and if he can improve on it, could he be another Dougie Gilmour? He's worth the gamble. At worst, he's a second line center. Leafs need to do this, to continue on their youth movement, since we don't have very many top 5 picks, playing on this team.

Not sure that O'rielly is that much of an upgrade on bozak sure he's 22 but if bozak keeps his face offs going and we know he clicks with kessel then why waste assets on a guy that hasn't proven himself and didn't enter the league with a huge amount of potential if we need to trade assets away I would rather go all out and get a legitimate first line Center capable of putting up 70-80 points a season or a high draft pick that will turn into a 70-80 point producing first line Center
- Ferrera07

COULDNT AGREE MORE

Last game at Maple Leaf Gardens was 14 years ago tonight...
- As_I_See_It

I still have the t-shirt.

Oh come on Dozzer, you know he's back up here after the next loss or two.
- mykokes

i dont know.. i am not so sure.. he wouldnt fit all that well under the system carlyle is running

you do you move out?

franson and fraser are playing fantastic together.

phaneuf is a lock, so is liles. holzer has been extremely solid.. then.. well.. ok yeah kostka could be moved to make room.. but then you got liles and gardiner on the same pairing.. not exactly threatening. fast.. but not tough

Agreed, I actually think he will become the Leafs second compliance buyout. Maybe this year but more likely the year after. I think JVR will be the top line center next year unless we sign Getzlaf or make a trade.

Kadri will center the second line and I think Bozak is a perfect third line center, good face offs, can play on the PK, can move up if need be.
- Mystery

And what about this year screams jvr is anything but a winger? Guaranteeing he stays a winger. Hell orielly between kess n loops would be 8incredible line balance defensively. And jvr kadri and frattin then grabs kuli and someone like mcclement kamorov and so on would be a very dangeroustop nine

So were giving up all that for a guy whos accomplished 8 more pts than bozak last year while bozak missed 8 games playing 73 games while O'Rielly played 81 games
- Mapleleafs_91

If the first thing you are looking at his O'Reilly's point totals then you really dont know what this kids game is all about. Since his rookie season he has been in the top 10 in takeaways, with last year being number 1 in that category.
Beating out Datsyuk Mr Two Way in that category says a lot

Liles is the odd man out, A package based around Gardiner would get you more than O'reilly.
- Mystery

you are over-valuing gardiner methinks

i mean yes he looked good in his rookie campaign

to the tune of 30 points.. its not like he potted 50-60 points.. only 30.. dont over value him

Agreed, I actually think he will become the Leafs second compliance buyout. Maybe this year but more likely the year after. I think JVR will be the top line center next year unless we sign Getzlaf or make a trade.

Kadri will center the second line and I think Bozak is a perfect third line center, good face offs, can play on the PK, can move up if need be.
- Mystery

Yep...I would shop/try to move Grabs and sign Bozak...

So were giving up all that for a guy whos accomplished 8 more pts than bozak last year while bozak missed 8 games playing 73 games while O'Rielly played 81 games
- Mapleleafs_91

How old is Bozak? Bozak's defensive ability isn't even close to O'Reilly's (And I realize Bozak is responsible defensively)... O'Reilly still has more potential offensively while Bozak is pretty much what he is.

So O'Reilly is proven to a certain level and still has potential, as well as Bozak being a UFA and O'Reilly not being a UFA for 4 more years...

Bozak = Bozak

O'Reilly = O'Reilly + Selke/Bergeron type potential

its the intangibles

i was with you on this yesterday but the more i thought about it at night the more i came around to the idea
- Dozzer

This is what teams don't get. When a player you are having trouble with, demands a trade, wants more money and your not going to give it to him. His value drops. Its not as high as you think. Look at the nash deal, the guy wanted a kings ransom but no one was going to give him it. Same with Gillis, the guy expects a kings ransom for a goalie thats 33 years old longest contract ever and demanded a trade. Same is going to go with O'Rielly if he did indeed demanded a trade because Colorado is not on the same terms with him.

In my opinion, rielly and gardiner are a definite no go in any trade for O'Rielly.

Guys like macarthur, 2nd Rounder, Colborne, Ashton, Gunner, Holzer, Blacker would be expendable and a mix of that should be able to get the deal done

Kulemin
- AdamFrench

If the first thing you are looking at his O'Reilly's point totals then you really dont know what this kids game is all about. Since his rookie season he has been in the top 10 in takeaways, with last year being number 1 in that category.
Beating out Datsyuk Mr Two Way in that category says a lot
- DDM-Coga

I agree here as well...

This guy has the pieces to possibly emerge as a unique talent.

He does lose some value however because of the contract dispute.

Why?
- A_Tree

It would be Lupul and O'Reilly for Beauch

Last year there were 9 centres that produced 70 or more points. 10 if you include Eberle, but I think RNH was the centre.

If the first thing you are looking at his O'Reilly's point totals then you really dont know what this kids game is all about. Since his rookie season he has been in the top 10 in takeaways, with last year being number 1 in that category.
Beating out Datsyuk Mr Two Way in that category says a lot
- DDM-Coga

But Datsyuk also seems to score many more points off those takeaways. What good are takeways if they're not translating into increased offense?

If the first thing you are looking at his O'Reilly's point totals then you really dont know what this kids game is all about. Since his rookie season he has been in the top 10 in takeaways, with last year being number 1 in that category.
Beating out Datsyuk Mr Two Way in that category says a lot
- DDM-Coga

Well I do agree he is a solid and good two way player, I don't put much stock into hits, takeaways and giveaways, these stats are subjective, they vary from one rink to the next with officials who are not very accurate in assessing it properly.

He is penciled in to the Pens,

We have to keep a list where the players are being sold off to tank traded to.
- LeafMan

If its for derrick pouliot and pouliot only, pull the trigger. Pens have nothing else they can offer us. And the pens know that if they pair up malkin with kulemin, kulemin is going to beast under malkins wing. So the leafs are not stupid in what they are giving up if they were to trade him.

It would be Lupul and O'Reilly for Beauch
- walshyleafsfan

...


Okay.

This is what teams don't get. When a player you are having trouble with, demands a trade, wants more money and your not going to give it to him. His value drops. Its not as high as you think. Look at the nash deal, the guy wanted a kings ransom but no one was going to give him it. Same with Gillis, the guy expects a kings ransom for a goalie thats 33 years old longest contract ever and demanded a trade. Same is going to go with O'Rielly if he did indeed demanded a trade because Colorado is not on the same terms with him.

In my opinion, rielly and gardiner are a definite no go in any trade for O'Rielly.

Guys like macarthur, 2nd Rounder, Colborne, Ashton, Gunner, Holzer, Blacker would be expendable and a mix of that should be able to get the deal done
- Mapleleafs_91

I agree with everything in your first paragraph.

Unfortunately, the GMs trying to move those players don't agree. So they don't move the player.

Until Vancouver or Colorado decides that the player isn't worth what they are asking, no deal is going to get done.

One answer, "Yes". You have to take a gamble, to get elite talent. Is O'Reilly elite? Not yet, but he's only 21. He has the tools to be a top end defensive forward. He also has some offensive flair and if he can improve on it, could he be another Dougie Gilmour? He's worth the gamble. At worst, he's a second line center. Leafs need to do this, to continue on their youth movement, since we don't have very many top 5 picks, playing on this team.
- PrinceLH

Eh up. We would have two Gilmour's then. It'd be like the family. A commentator said (can't remember Healy maybe?) said Kadri is like Gilmour. One can't have too many Gilmour's though.

I agree here as well...

This guy has the pieces to possibly emerge as a unique talent.

He does lose some value however because of the contract dispute.
- dragus84

Thats he idiotic agents getting in his head. He has talent but he has become a brat over night. Sulkign about not getting the captainacy and asking for 4+ mill a season.

I still want him signed and will take him back but man has his image in Colorado has taken a huge hit bc of this

It would be Lupul and O'Reilly for Beauch
- walshyleafsfan

Its like that bartering show. Just keep making trades with the pieces until it ends up being Beauchemin for Stamkos + Weber.

Am I missing something with this kid? His numbers in junior and his first two NHL seasons aren't very impressive. He has one 55 point season, which is far from elite, and he's worth giving up a guy like Gardiner for? The kid doesn't project to be a first line centre, so what's the point? We have guys like Grabo, Bozak, Kadri, etc. who can fill our 2C and 3C spots, so why trade away valuable assets for another guy who fits into that mix? If you're going to trade Gardiner, Colborne, etc., use them to acquire a surefire 1C, not a guy who had one half-decent season.