oh i agree with you on that point (bolded) 100%

what i dont agree with is saying Diaz's value is comparable to Gardiner's.. because.. its not.

I already said to pry O'Reilly out of Colorado is would have to be somthing like Gunnarson, Grabovski, and Colborne for O'Reilly and a second

colorado needs D help now.. the D man cannot be the prospect.. Grabo takes over for the missing C position, gunnar is no star but he is reliable, and then a decent prospect to work with in Colborne to eventually groom into the C position
- Dozzer

Gluck was basing the straight up trade for O'R based on points, 30 point Dman for 55 point Center blablabla.

So based on points and based on finally being given a chance at solid ice time, what Gardiner did last year with his 30 points is comaprable to what Diaz is doing now.

That's the comparision, then people get all offensive about it, blabla thsi blabla that.

Until Gardiner proves he can reach more of his untapped potential, right now he is a young 0.4 ppg dman in one season, who has spent alot of time riding the bus.

Shoulder, but not what you think.

Had to have some sun-damaged skin removed (official name: basal-cell carcinoma, but that makes it sound much scarier than it actually is).

So now I'm worried I'm going to have a kick-ass scar, and when people ask me if I was attacked by a wolf or got into a knife fight or fell into a 2,000 foot crevice while climbing Everest, I'm going to have to tell them no, I just didn't wear sunscreen as a child.
- Atomic Wedgie

Friend of mine just had it done to her forehead, no scar.

Wow, and ummm, do you even understand what you're saying.
Time 1: finished university, assigned to the AHL
Time 2: assigned to AHL to qualify for AHL playoffs (quirky AHL Rule)
Time 3: assigned to AHL to play in playoffs because Leafs season was over
Time 4: LOCKOUT
Time 5: rehab assignment
Time 6: Not up to NHL speed, sent back down.

Seriously think before you type.
- mykokes

Now that's priceless!

Surely not stellar.

Still, it would take more than Gardinner to fetch O'Reilly.
- slashtrash

I don't think too many would argue that. A 20 year old strong two way player who puts up 55 points is pretty damn good. Yes, it would take more than Gardiner.

so Gardiner = Subban?
- Oilhab

No, because Gardiner isn't a stupid cancer who puts his own selfish ego ahead of the team, and then makes a commercial about how much he wants to play and then holds out, and then demands to be able to do the low-five and kills kittens.

No, because Gardiner isn't a stupid cancer who puts his own selfish ego ahead of the team, and then makes a commercial about how much he wants to play and then holds out, and then demands to be able to do the low-five and kills kittens.
- Atomic Wedgie

Shoulder, but not what you think.

Had to have some sun-damaged skin removed (official name: basal-cell carcinoma, but that makes it sound much scarier than it actually is).

So now I'm worried I'm going to have a kick-ass scar, and when people ask me if I was attacked by a wolf or got into a knife fight or fell into a 2,000 foot crevice while climbing Everest, I'm going to have to tell them no, I just didn't wear sunscreen as a child.
- Atomic Wedgie

Tell them you were play shinny with Cooke, and he stepped on ya.

Actually, he was just brought up for practice, while the AHL was going through it's all-star break, and was sent back down when it was done.
- Feeling Glucky?

Either way, he's out to lunch.

No. Galchenyuck=Bozak
- slashtrash

Only if you and Oilhab say so ...

Surely not stellar.

Still, it would take more than Gardinner to fetch O'Reilly.
- slashtrash

Does the fact that Colorado's hands are tied affect his value?

I feel like people are arguing that O'Reilly>Gardiner, without considering that only one of those guys is under contractual obligation to, you know, actually play.

Either way, he's out to lunch.
- mykokes

pretty much.

Gluck was basing the straight up trade for O'R based on points, 30 point Dman for 55 point Center blablabla.

So based on points and based on finally being given a chance at solid ice time, what Gardiner did last year with his 30 points is comaprable to what Diaz is doing now.

That's the comparision, then people get all offensive about it, blabla thsi blabla that.

Until Gardiner proves he can reach more of his untapped potential, right now he is a young 0.4 ppg dman in one season, who has spent alot of time riding the bus.
- Oilhab

oh i tell posters in these boards that gardiner is over-valued regularly

good player? yes

lots of upside? also yes

it just tires me listening to people go on about him like he is the next paul coffey

my guess is he tops out at around a 50 P / year D-man.. which is good.. but its Liles good.. not Bobby Orr good.

I don't think too many would argue that. A 20 year old strong two way player who puts up 55 points is pretty damn good. Yes, it would take more than Gardiner.
- Dirte

22 year old....and yeah, I would take it. As I've asked repeatedly, isn't Sherman the guy who move Stewart and Shattenkirk for EJ?

No, because Gardiner isn't a stupid cancer who puts his own selfish ego ahead of the team, and then makes a commercial about how much he wants to play and then holds out, and then demands to be able to do the low-five and kills kittens.
- Atomic Wedgie

Who doesn't like killing kittens

Agreed:


- Pecafan Fan

Absolument!

Does the fact that Colorado's hands are tied affect his value?

I feel like people are arguing that O'Reilly>Gardiner, without considering that only one of those guys is under contractual obligation to, you know, actually play.
- Leeman4Gilmour

The only thing to go on is this rumoured top prospect and roster player for O'Reilly. If there is a deal to make, then go for it, he is probably better (he is) than any one we have in the system and on the team.

oh i agree with you on that point (bolded) 100%

what i dont agree with is saying Diaz's value is comparable to Gardiner's.. because.. its not.

I already said to pry O'Reilly out of Colorado is would have to be somthing like Gunnarson, Grabovski, and Colborne for O'Reilly and a second

colorado needs D help now.. the D man cannot be the prospect.. Grabo takes over for the missing C position, gunnar is no star but he is reliable, and then a decent prospect to work with in Colborne to eventually groom into the C position
- Dozzer

Not sure Colborne would be considered a decent prospect anymore.

22 year old....and yeah, I would take it. As I've asked repeatedly, isn't Sherman the guy who move Stewart and Shattenkirk for EJ?
- mykokes

if he can be fooled once why not again

Does the fact that Colorado's hands are tied affect his value?

I feel like people are arguing that O'Reilly>Gardiner, without considering that only one of those guys is under contractual obligation to, you know, actually play.
- Leeman4Gilmour

I said the same thing earlier. The Avs can make any demand that they want, doesn't mean anyone is going to meet it as they don't have as much negotiating leverage as people seem to be alluding to.

Does the fact that Colorado's hands are tied affect his value?
I feel like people are arguing that O'Reilly>Gardiner, without considering that only one of those guys is under contractual obligation to, you know, actually play.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Not really...when you consider how many other GM's would want this kid.

Not sure Colborne would be considered a decent prospect anymore.
- stormey

lol he is only 23.. this is the year the leafs need to consider moving him.. he only has a couple years left to prove he can get it done.

I feel like perhaps this page should be bookmarked for future reference just in case a trade for O'Reilly actually goes down.

Because I have a sneaking suspicion that one player's stock will rise, and the other's will fall. I'll let people draw their own conclusions about which is which.

Not really...when you consider how many other GM's would want this kid.
- stormey

I worry about that, I really do.

Not really...when you consider how many other GM's would want this kid.
- stormey

Yes, but said GM's would still have to get his name on a contract with the uncertainty of what that would cost.

The teams that could afford him (and have to chips to trade) don't have the cap space. I suspect that's why NYR is out.

oh i tell posters in these boards that gardiner is over-valued regularly

good player? yes

lots of upside? also yes

it just tires me listening to people go on about him like he is the next paul coffey

my guess is he tops out at around a 50 P / year D-man.. which is good.. but its Liles good.. not Bobby Orr good.
- Dozzer

Gardiner is overrated, no doubt.


But as with any young player who becomes available(and is rumoured to go to the Leafs), O'Reilly has become insanely overrated as well.

People talk about how the guy is on the market, start making proposals, and next thing you know people on forums are in a bidding war against eachother, and let the hype train take over.

On top of that, our habitants friends here are underrating Gardiner because he's recovering from a concussion and isn't in the line-up.