fair.. but you need to realize that his trade value has dropped due to colorado's inability to sign him.
- Dozzer

Again i disagree with this. Look at the Turris deal last year, The Yotes got Runblad and a second round pick.

So Gardiner and a second isn't far off. But I would rather not trade Gardiner.

I agree here as well...

This guy has the pieces to possibly emerge as a unique talent.

He does lose some value however because of the contract dispute.
- dragus84

Any trade IMO would include his contract issues being worked out. Personally if I was another team I wouldn't even trade for him unless that was the case, so moot point IMO.

If he wants to play in the NHL, hes going to have to work with the new team regarding a contract or Colorado will not get enough value to justify trading him.

We would be better off to hold out on him until he signs no matter what, he wont sign an offer sheet because if we didn't like the return we would just match and he would be stuck in Colorado for a year or more.

Its like that bartering show. Just keep making trades with the pieces until it ends up being Beauchemin for Stamkos + Weber.
- p_zub

hahaha not bad

Beach for Loops and Oreilly or Gardiner either way is a pretty big steal

I agree with everything in your first paragraph.

Unfortunately, the GMs trying to move those players don't agree. So they don't move the player.

Until Vancouver or Colorado decides that the player isn't worth what they are asking, no deal is going to get done.
- Atomic Wedgie

He's not coming here so this shouldn't be an issue.

If the first thing you are looking at his O'Reilly's point totals then you really dont know what this kids game is all about. Since his rookie season he has been in the top 10 in takeaways, with last year being number 1 in that category.
Beating out Datsyuk Mr Two Way in that category says a lot
- DDM-Coga

Dude drop it. I did this before, they won't care. Just let it go.

But Datsyuk also seems to score many more points off those takeaways. What good are takeways if they're not translating into increased offense?
- p_zub

His strength in this department shows up on the PK, they guy can strip a puck and clear in cleanly time and time again. Its amazing how many fundamentaly sound plays he makes on the PK.

This is what teams don't get. When a player you are having trouble with, demands a trade, wants more money and your not going to give it to him. His value drops. Its not as high as you think. Look at the nash deal, the guy wanted a kings ransom but no one was going to give him it. Same with Gillis, the guy expects a kings ransom for a goalie thats 33 years old longest contract ever and demanded a trade. Same is going to go with O'Rielly if he did indeed demanded a trade because Colorado is not on the same terms with him.

In my opinion, rielly and gardiner are a definite no go in any trade for O'Rielly.

Guys like macarthur, 2nd Rounder, Colborne, Ashton, Gunner, Holzer, Blacker would be expendable and a mix of that should be able to get the deal done
- Mapleleafs_91

but with rielly gardiner becomes expendable

cant have a back end full of PMDs.. not under carlyle. someone will have to be eventually moved.

gardiner had 30 points in 70 some odd games last year and everyone talks about him like he's the second coming of bobby orr.

i think leaf fans might be over-valuing him just a touch

you are over-valuing gardiner methinks

i mean yes he looked good in his rookie campaign

to the tune of 30 points.. its not like he potted 50-60 points.. only 30.. dont over value him
- Dozzer

Rookie d-men don't pot 50-60 points

Thats he idiotic agents getting in his head. He has talent but he has become a brat over night. Sulkign about not getting the captainacy and asking for 4+ mill a season.

I still want him signed and will take him back but man has his image in Colorado has taken a huge hit bc of this
- DDM-Coga

I'm wondering: is this only about money?

Or does he want out of Colorado?

It's a sincere question; I haven't really been following the story too closely.

Its like that bartering show. Just keep making trades with the pieces until it ends up being Beauchemin for Stamkos + Weber.
- p_zub

I know. I hate when fans do that. Boston said something along the lines of Hamilton, Seguin, Knight, Horton and something else for Kessel. Every fan does it though. You can pretty much link any player to anyone else

His strength in this department shows up on the PK, they guy can strip a puck and clear in cleanly time and time again. Its amazing how many fundamentaly sound plays he makes on the PK.
- DDM-Coga

Something you can find in a player NOT earning $5+ million per year...and not having to give up top prospects to acquire.

but with rielly gardiner becomes expendable

cant have a back end full of PMDs.. not under carlyle. someone will have to be eventually moved.

gardiner had 30 points in 70 some odd games last year and everyone talks about him like he's the second coming of bobby orr.

i think leaf fans might be over-valuing him just a touch
- Dozzer

Bingo

Better idea, hey sherman, Stastny's sucking for you, trade him to us for Colborne, Bozak and a pick (3rd maybe), you take the money you're savign with Stastny and sign O'Reilly. Problem solved.

Again i disagree with this. Look at the Turris deal last year, The Yotes got Runblad and a second round pick.

So Gardiner and a second isn't far off. But I would rather not trade Gardiner.
- Mystery

you cannot compare turris to o'reilly

turris hadnt even cracked an NHL lineup full time... o'rielly has three full seasons under his belt.. sorry.. but completely different scenarios

I'm wondering: is this only about money?

Or does he want out of Colorado?

It's a sincere question; I haven't really been following the story too closely.
- Atomic Wedgie

Apparently it all results into him feeling insulted by the Avs with the contract offers and not being offered the captainancy according to Dater. So him and his agents are playing hardball and the Avs arent bending. Cold War standoff

but with rielly gardiner becomes expendable

cant have a back end full of PMDs.. not under carlyle. someone will have to be eventually moved.

gardiner had 30 points in 70 some odd games last year and everyone talks about him like he's the second coming of bobby orr.

i think leaf fans might be over-valuing him just a touch
- Dozzer

Liles ain't much of a PMD anymore if you ask me.

Dude drop it. I did this before, they won't care. Just let it go.
- AdamFrench

You really have to watch a player to see these things, just looking at stats (I pointed out in my last post how they can be very misleading) to truly see how a player plays.

I don't want to bring up the Lidstrom example again how stats are often fudged in some rinks.

I know. I hate when fans do that. Boston said something along the lines of Hamilton, Seguin, Knight, Horton and something else for Kessel. Every fan does it though. You can pretty much link any player to anyone else
- walshyleafsfan

It can't be. We only gave up 3 pieces for Kessel....The picks that lead to Seguin, Hamilton, and Knight. Knight is a ECHL bust, and Hamilton is likely to become more like Tyler Myers, than Zdeno Chara.

but with rielly gardiner becomes expendable

cant have a back end full of PMDs.. not under carlyle. someone will have to be eventually moved.

gardiner had 30 points in 70 some odd games last year and everyone talks about him like he's the second coming of bobby orr.

i think leaf fans might be over-valuing him just a touch
- Dozzer

Regardless, Gardiner is going to put up the numbers.

You really have to watch a player to see these things, just looking at stats (I pointed out in my last post how they can be very misleading) to truly see how a player plays.

I don't want to bring up the Lidstrom example again how stats are often fudged in some rinks.
- LeafMan

You know me and Nik are brahs for life.

Better idea, he sherman, Stastny's sucking for you, trade him to us for Colborne, Bozak and a pick (3rd maybe), you take the money you're savign with Stastny and sign O'Reilly. Problem solved.
- mykokes

Thats what us Av fans have been wanting all along, we would rather pay that money to Radar than stastny.

Rookie d-men don't pot 50-60 points
- toskala4vezina

listen i know gardiner has upside

but liles is here for 3 more years.. and rielly is in the system now

one of gardiner or rielly are expendable.

its really that simple.. both will want to be the number one PMD in the future so the leafs wont be able to keep both

If the first thing you are looking at his O'Reilly's point totals then you really dont know what this kids game is all about. Since his rookie season he has been in the top 10 in takeaways, with last year being number 1 in that category.
Beating out Datsyuk Mr Two Way in that category says a lot
- DDM-Coga

Tool ya services are needed..........

Gardiner or Reilly is not happening , colorado would have to send us duchene then you have yourself a case
- Mapleleafs_91

Percy + Steckle +3rd rnd pick ,should get it done

i dont know.. i am not so sure.. he wouldnt fit all that well under the system carlyle is running

you do you move out?

franson and fraser are playing fantastic together.

phaneuf is a lock, so is liles. holzer has been extremely solid.. then.. well.. ok yeah kostka could be moved to make room.. but then you got liles and gardiner on the same pairing.. not exactly threatening. fast.. but not tough
- Dozzer

The guys that are playing right now are playing very well,they got the opportunity because of Gardiners injury. They deserve to be on the team right now. Mark Fraser is a plus 10, Franson is playing great hockey.

Toronto would most likely have to put someone on waivers to make room for Gardiner right now. He will get his chance, but using the fact that he is the minors right now, isn't a good argument.