Liles ain't much of a PMD anymore if you ask me.
- mykokes

poopty minutes with poopty partners..

i dont pin it on him at all.

It can't be. We only gave up 3 pieces for Kessel....The picks that lead to Seguin, Hamilton, and Knight. Knight is a ECHL bust, and Hamilton is likely to become more like Tyler Myers, than Zdeno Chara.
- p_zub

I think he means Bruins were able to trade their first away for Horton bc they had yours in the sequin pick

listen i know gardiner has upside

but liles is here for 3 more years.. and rielly is in the system now

one of gardiner or rielly are expendable.

its really that simple.. both will want to be the number one PMD in the future so the leafs wont be able to keep both
- Dozzer

So the question becomes who should the Leafs keep: Gardiner or Rielly???

but with rielly gardiner becomes expendable

cant have a back end full of PMDs.. not under carlyle. someone will have to be eventually moved.

gardiner had 30 points in 70 some odd games last year and everyone talks about him like he's the second coming of bobby orr.

i think leaf fans might be over-valuing him just a touch
- Dozzer

So the future of having Rielly and Gardiner on the same line would not entice you, having guys like liles gone in 2 years, etc?

Would not say he is expendable just yet.

And what about this year screams jvr is anything but a winger? Guaranteeing he stays a winger. Hell orielly between kess n loops would be 8incredible line balance defensively. And jvr kadri and frattin then grabs kuli and someone like mcclement kamorov and so on would be a very dangeroustop nine
- Viktory

Because he didn't have the pre season to help adjust to playing center. The Leafs and Carlyle both said he would audition for the role, but without a pre season it made it kind of difficult.

So the question becomes who should the Leafs keep: Gardiner or Rielly???
- A_Tree

How about we sit and wait until we know which one is better?

Eh up. We would have two Gilmour's then. It'd be like the family. A commentator said (can't remember Healy maybe?) said Kadri is like Gilmour. One can't have too many Gilmour's though.
- walshyleafsfan

Kadri will never be a Gilmour. He's not the best defensive forward and he's not very good on draws. Someone like O'Reilly can shut down the other teams top line, if he has the wingers to work with him. I'm not convinced that Grabovski is that center, but that's who we're using. Grabovski could become expendable, if O'Reilly worked out.

listen i know gardiner has upside

but liles is here for 3 more years.. and rielly is in the system now

one of gardiner or rielly are expendable.

its really that simple.. both will want to be the number one PMD in the future so the leafs wont be able to keep both
- Dozzer

now's not the time to decide (Rask / Pogge)

Having 2 puck rushing offensive defense men with major upside is not a problem its a luxury

How about we sit and wait until we know which one is better?
- Holy_Makinaw99

No. Takes too long. MUST TRADE NOW!

listen i know gardiner has upside

but liles is here for 3 more years.. and rielly is in the system now

one of gardiner or rielly are expendable.

its really that simple.. both will want to be the number one PMD in the future so the leafs wont be able to keep both
- Dozzer

I'm with you on this one, Dozzer.

He's a good player.

I'd move him if I thought I could help the team at centre.

And never look back.

Kulemin + Finn

Is that enough? Kulemin + Finn + Colborne.

Nobody talks about Finn much ..I think he is going to be good.

now's not the time to decide (Rask / Pogge)

Having 2 puck rushing offensive defense men with major upside is not a problem its a luxury
- billyberg10

Better idea, hey sherman, Stastny's sucking for you, trade him to us for Colborne, Bozak and a pick (3rd maybe), you take the money you're savign with Stastny and sign O'Reilly. Problem solved.
- mykokes

How about we sit and wait until we know which one is better?
- Holy_Makinaw99

Thats a solid option...


Thing is some looking at it as trying to fill a need at the center position like now rather than later...

I'm with you on this one, Dozzer.

He's a good player.

I'd move him if I thought I could help the team at centre.

And never look back.
- Atomic Wedgie

Dont get me wrong, but Liles is the one that is expendable, he is old with a good cap hit, lots of team would love him and we can get a good return come the deadline for him

His strength in this department shows up on the PK, they guy can strip a puck and clear in cleanly time and time again. Its amazing how many fundamentaly sound plays he makes on the PK.
- DDM-Coga

You've been a the Mike Gillis, used car salesman seminar, I see?

How is this so hard. I 'll have a go.

Beauch and O'Reilly, Beauch Gardiner and Gardiner

for

Gardiner and Beauch Lupul ????


- walshyleafsfan

Spam, spam, eggs, sausage and spam

now's not the time to decide (Rask / Pogge)

Having 2 puck rushing offensive defense men with major upside is not a problem its a luxury
- billyberg10

But having no first line centre and none in the pipeline is a problem.

Kulemin + Finn

Is that enough? Kulemin + Finn + Colborne.

Nobody talks about Finn much ..I think he is going to be good.
- D.Lemieux

or blacker

now's not the time to decide (Rask / Pogge)

Having 2 puck rushing offensive defense men with major upside is not a problem its a luxury
- billyberg10

BINGO!

Gards is still developing, and Reilly as barely begun his hockey career. The best case scenario is that we hold on to both of these kids and count our lucky stars that O'reilly went to Columbus.

Kadri will never be a Gilmour. He's not the best defensive forward and he's not very good on draws. Someone like O'Reilly can shut down the other teams top line, if he has the wingers to work with him. I'm not convinced that Grabovski is that center, but that's who we're using. Grabovski could become expendable, if O'Reilly worked out.
- PrinceLH

Ya if the leafs went after o' Reilly ... I would try 2 put Garbo in the trade or use him 2 get picks after the trade

Kadri as no2 bozak as no3

Looking back, a thought just cross my mind....at the same age O"reilly put up 57 points....
Stastny did this:
Colorado NHL 82 28 50 78 4

and Wolski did this:
2006-07 Colorado NHL 76 22 28 50 2

I'm with you on this one, Dozzer.

He's a good player.

I'd move him if I thought I could help the team at centre.

And never look back.
- Atomic Wedgie

What if zombies were in your rear view?

It would be Lupul and O'Reilly for Beauch
- walshyleafsfan

Thank you.

Dont get me wrong, but Liles is the one that is expendable, he is old with a good cap hit, lots of team would love him and we can get a good return come the deadline for him
- Mapleleafs_91

He has a terrible cap hit relative to his play post-concussion.

You simply won't get nearly as much trading Liles as you would trading Gardiner.