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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 7:54 PM ET
I don't like that idea. Trading assets for a young goalie who is unproven could be risky. I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Bishop to backup Bryz for a few years if he could be acquired reasonably.
- PLindbergh31


He was just saying that they could use a goalie who is going to hit his prime at the same time as this young core.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:54 PM ET
Homer traded our cornerstones to get younger. Great move. But fully committ. If we don't make playoffs this year was it worth it. Was it worth it watching nj destroy us last year. Fully Committ is what im looking for. Think of the teams we gave to beat to win a cup. Ie Pitt nj nyr chi van. We aren't close to those teams. Yeah on any given night we can beat them but to expect to go throUgh all those to a cup ain't happening
- SMS4016


Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is an NHL team. A factor that you omit in your logic. Dean Lombardi spent a number of years putting the team together that won the Cup last year.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 18 @ 7:55 PM ET
He was just saying that they could use a goalie who is going to hit his prime at the same time as this young core.
- stveshdy


It's not a crazy idea, providing you knew the young goalie would pan out. There are no guarantees that happens.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 18 @ 7:55 PM ET
Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is an NHL team. A factor that you omit in your logic. Dean Lombardi spent a number of years putting the team together that won the Cup last year.
- MJL

When in Rome, act like the damn Romans....
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 7:58 PM ET
Might be right about pronged thought I read with new CBa could buy out injured and historically goalies with high Potential stuck behind established starters thrive once traded. Hasek behind Balfour for example. So playing the odds. Odds wIth bryz basically 0. I honestly wouldn't have minded bryz when we had Ritchie and carts and gags. But this teams major talent is too young for 32 year old goalie. And don't use Thomas. It was freakish what he did and bryz no where as good as him and we don't have a chara in front of bryz
- SMS4016


Stating that the odds with Bryzgalov are zero is just pulling a random number out of a hat. There is no logical reasoning that you can provide to substantiate that. And it wasn't freakish what Thomas did. There is a whole list of Goalies in their middle to late 30's that have had success in the NHL.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Feb 18 @ 7:58 PM ET
Hey man. Dont take it the wrong way, but I'm just wondering are you one of our younger posters?

Some of your posts are a little harder to read.

No offense, Im just a frozen northern loon

- flyer_nutter

Ha lol no I'm 37 from buffalo I'm on a iPhone with a cracked screen not on a computer. Kids have taken that over. Lol if I type too fast damn phone appGoes nuts like just now. That's why words join together or auto correct picks word not meant by me. Follow? I posted earlier about phone. If you guys use cell phone you know what I mean. Sorry bout that. Lol. I try to shorten sentences to save space and time. Sometimes between auto correct and shorten sentence it Comes out messed up. Tha why I laugh when everyone points out gramnar and stuff. Not trying to be an idiot on here. Lol
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 7:58 PM ET
It's not a crazy idea, providing you knew the young goalie would pan out. There are no guarantees that happens.
- PLindbergh31


I agree. It can go either way.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:00 PM ET
Do you think if we stay this course over the next 5 years or so (time before is washed up) we can get through the likes of bid Pitt ny chi van etc and win a cup? If not We should get rid of him trade if possible or buyout. Simple You answer can we win cup yes or no. If answer is no why the hell keep him and that contract???
- SMS4016


What is the course your speaking of. You're the only person who believes apparently that Holmgren is not going to make the changes he feels is needed to better the team. Look at his track record. Nobody, myself included has said, or thinks that this team doesn't need to add some pieces, to become a true contender.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 8:01 PM ET
What is the course your speaking of. You're the only person who believes apparently that Holmgren is not going to make the changes he feels is needed to better the team. Look at his track record. Nobody, myself included has said, or thinks that this team doesn't need to add some pieces, to become a true contender.
- MJL


I actually wouldn't mind them adding a player like Bishop to their roster. The Flyers have other needs that need to be addressed first though.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:02 PM ET
Coots and #1 for subban. Just an example. In 3 years subban going to Norris candidate. Bank on it. Schenn i believed centered briere and checky today. Schenn much better at center than wing
- SMS4016


I would not trade Couturier for Subban, let alone throw in a #1. it remains to be seen in Subban becomes a Norris candidate. I have my doubts. Schenn can play the Wing. So can Briere.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 18 @ 8:05 PM ET
What is the course your speaking of. You're the only person who believes apparently that Holmgren is not going to make the changes he feels is needed to better the team. Look at his track record. Nobody, myself included has said, or thinks that this team doesn't need to add some pieces, to become a true contender.
- MJL


The logic of having a young goaltender who peaks when the rest of the core players on the Flyers roster does isn't a terrible idea. The problem is, when you bring in a young goaltender there is no guarantee that he becomes a legit # 1 guy.

Schneider was supposed to be the guy in Vancouver this year, well we see what happened to that plan. There is no reason to think Bryzgalov can't play at a high level for 3-4 more years. After that it is likely there will be some decline.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 18 @ 8:05 PM ET
I actually wouldn't mind them adding a player like Bishop to their roster. The Flyers have other needs that need to be addressed first though.
- stveshdy


Lets get crazy (not realistic). If the Flyers do buyout Bryzgalov for whatever reason people like to ask who would replace him...

I'll just throw a name out there. A guy I have liked for a while. Hiller.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:06 PM ET
Taylor Leier adds a 2nd assist and now how a point on every goal so far.

4 - 0 Portland over Spokane early 2nd.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:06 PM ET
I actually wouldn't mind them adding a player like Bishop to their roster. The Flyers have other needs that need to be addressed first though.
- stveshdy


Absolutely. Any way that you can improve your team for the right price, you do it.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 8:07 PM ET
Jsaq said yesterday he saw Hartnell was an option for Wednesday. I think Hartnell has only skated once that I heard, I don't know if he's practiced yet either. I would be surprised if he played Wednesday.
- PLindbergh31



Practice? we talking bout practice? not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game .... practice....
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 8:08 PM ET
Lets get crazy (not realistic). If the Flyers do buyout Bryzgalov for whatever reason people like to ask who would replace him...

I'll just throw a name out there. A guy I have liked for a while. Hiller.

- flyer_nutter


Not a bad choice. Hiller is 30 I believe.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Feb 18 @ 8:08 PM ET
Not sure I like the idea of trading all these number 1 picks.
- stveshdy

Say we trade cooter and a 1st for subban. Essentially we will have traded Carter and a 1st for subban voracek cousins. DEAL!!!!!! Say we trade read and 1st round pick for perrY at tdl. DEAL!!!!! Just examples. Our 1st rounders not going to be high anyways. I see your point but our core is sooooo young and more ate coming. That is like our draft anyways. If we had older team I'd agree with you see my point
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 18 @ 8:09 PM ET


Practice? we talking bout practice? not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game not a game .... practice....

- JoeRussomanno




I just watched game 1 of the 2001 NBA Final the other day. Iverson was unbelievable. That Sixers team had no right even winning one game in that series against the Lakers. Iverson was a warrior.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:09 PM ET
The logic of having a young goaltender who peaks when the rest of the core players on the Flyers roster does isn't a terrible idea. The problem is, when you bring in a young goaltender there is no guarantee that he becomes a legit # 1 guy.

Schneider was supposed to be the guy in Vancouver this year, well we see what happened to that plan. There is no reason to think Bryzgalov can't play at a high level for 3-4 more years. After that it is likely there will be some decline.

- PLindbergh31


If you want to have that player as a backup to groom for when Bryzgalov is done, I'm all for that. But to buyout Bryzgalov and rely on that unproven young player. No thanks. Not the way Bryzgalov is playing. There is no reason why he can't continue to play at a high level for another 5 years, if not longer. That is an eternity in this League. If the young players on this team aren't developed by then, they never will be.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 18 @ 8:09 PM ET
Not a bad choice. Hiller is 30 I believe.
- stveshdy


Just turned 31.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 8:10 PM ET
Absolutely. Any way that you can improve your team for the right price, you do it.
- MJL


Most certainly. The biggest needs IMO

1. Scoring Winger
2. #2/3 Defenseman
3. Center 4th line (faceoffs)
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 8:10 PM ET
Ha lol no I'm 37 from buffalo I'm on a iPhone with a cracked screen not on a computer. Kids have taken that over. Lol if I type too fast damn phone appGoes nuts like just now. That's why words join together or auto correct picks word not meant by me. Follow? I posted earlier about phone. If you guys use cell phone you know what I mean. Sorry bout that. Lol. I try to shorten sentences to save space and time. Sometimes between auto correct and shorten sentence it Comes out messed up. Tha why I laugh when everyone points out gramnar and stuff. Not trying to be an idiot on here. Lol
- SMS4016



call rent a center, they can help!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 8:10 PM ET
Say we trade cooter and a 1st for subban. Essentially we will have traded Carter and a 1st for subban voracek cousins. DEAL!!!!!! Say we trade read and 1st round pick for perrY at tdl. DEAL!!!!! Just examples. Our 1st rounders not going to be high anyways. I see your point but our core is sooooo young and more ate coming. That is like our draft anyways. If we had older team I'd agree with you see my point
- SMS4016


Now you're giving away Read for a player who is going to be a Free Agent. The proposed deals from you just get worse and worse. Our core isn't so young when you keep giving them away!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 18 @ 8:11 PM ET
If you want to have that player as a backup to groom for when Bryzgalov is done, I'm all for that. But to buyout Bryzgalov and rely on that unproven young player. No thanks. Not the way Bryzgalov is playing. There is no reason why he can't continue to play at a high level for another 5 years, if not longer. That is an eternity in this League. If the young players on this team aren't developed by then, they never will be.
- MJL


As long as Bryzgalov plays at a high level, there is no reason to even think about buying him out. Simple as that.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 8:11 PM ET


I just watched game 1 of the 2001 NBA Final the other day. Iverson was unbelievable. That Sixers team had no right even winning one game in that series against the Lakers. Iverson was a warrior.

- PLindbergh31

key word...
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