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jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 18 @ 9:18 PM ET
Yeah it's called watch the NHL. Anyone really surprised at McGinn. Guy skates he huge he hits he fights goes to the front of the net. Cousins same thing with more skill. Ghost... Anyone watCh wjc. Great skater passes shoots hockey smarts small but will grow. Sound familiar. Enstom kimmo gusty. Doesn't take a genius to figure out these players are coming in the next few years.
- SMS4016


If those players are that good then why not package them for the #1 Dman and keep the young core up front?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:18 PM ET
Yeah it's called watch the NHL. Anyone really surprised at McGinn. Guy skates he huge he hits he fights goes to the front of the net. Cousins same thing with more skill. Ghost... Anyone watCh wjc. Great skater passes shoots hockey smarts small but will grow. Sound familiar. Enstom kimmo gusty. Doesn't take a genius to figure out these players are coming in the next few years.
- SMS4016


So Ghostibhere is guaranteed to be as good as Kimmo Timonen or Enstrom? I hope you're right. Everybody is pretty much surprised at McGinn's rise, except you I guess.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:19 PM ET
So Ghostibhere is guaranteed to be as good as Kimmo Timonen or Enstrom? I hope you're right. Everybody is pretty much surprised at McGinn's rise, except you I guess.
- MJL

he watches the NHL, don't you?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 18 @ 9:19 PM ET
I understand his point but its just coming out crazy with all the trades and picks leaving.
- stveshdy


His point seems to be that Bryz sucks, because that's the only consistent thing.

Rather than ride Bryz and develop a young goalie, like say Stolarz(whose rights they already own), trade a good young forward for one that's unproven and ride him and buy Bryzgalov out, because he's only average at best.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:21 PM ET
Speaking of prospects, suddenly the pipeline isn't looking so bleak:

-Laughton
-Cousins (pending his legal issues)
-Ghost
-Leier (Bill mentioned on a thread he is in the mold of a E. Wellwood with better hands)
-Stolarz (think he made a great move leaving college)

Some interesting pieces.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:21 PM ET
Speaking of prospects, suddenly the pipeline isn't looking so bleak:

-Laughton
-Cousins (pending his legal issues)
-Ghost
-Leier (Bill mentioned on a thread he is in the mold of a E. Wellwood with better hands)
-Stolarz (think he made a great move leaving college)

Some interesting pieces.

- ravishingone

we have to buy out bryz and trade Couturier for Bernier...
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:22 PM ET
His point seems to be that Bryz sucks, because that's the only consistent thing.

Rather than ride Bryz and develop a young goalie, like say Stolarz(whose rights they already own), trade a good young forward for one that's unproven and ride him and buy Bryzgalov out, because he's only average at best.

- Jsaquella

I'm trying to get loopy enough to understand him, but it's not working...
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:22 PM ET
Well sick minds think alike....now we just have to figure out who else has been having these thoughts and we'll know the other sick bastard like you
- Jsaquella


I'll be needing some light reading for bedtime, so I'm gonna let this accrue some more. If some other unlucky bastard thinks like you and I, maybe they'll leave a note in here (and I won't be shaking my head and scrolling and miss it).
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 9:22 PM ET
His point seems to be that Bryz sucks, because that's the only consistent thing.

Rather than ride Bryz and develop a young goalie, like say Stolarz(whose rights they already own), trade a good young forward for one that's unproven and ride him and buy Bryzgalov out, because he's only average at best.

- Jsaquella

He just wants a younger goalie to go with the core so that when those guys hit their peak Bryz isn't on his downside.
Will see what happens but Bryz isn't the problem IMO.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:23 PM ET
Speaking of prospects, suddenly the pipeline isn't looking so bleak:

-Laughton
-Cousins (pending his legal issues)
-Ghost
-Leier (Bill mentioned on a thread he is in the mold of a E. Wellwood with better hands)
-Stolarz (think he made a great move leaving college)

Some interesting pieces.

- ravishingone


With some very young players already on the team. One thing about this sport. If you don't like what's happening, just wait a little while. Some key moves and a weakness can suddenly become a strength.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:23 PM ET
we have to buy out bryz and trade Couturier for Bernier...
- JoeRussomanno


I can't get in the intense debate because I believe Bryz is good enough to win a Cup, so I'm in the idiotic part of the fan base.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:23 PM ET
So Ghostibhere is guaranteed to be as good as Kimmo Timonen or Enstrom? I hope you're right. Everybody is pretty much surprised at McGinn's rise, except you I guess.
- MJL


Didn't tye get cut from Oshawa at some point in his career?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:23 PM ET
He just wants a younger goalie to go with the core so that when those guys hit their peak Bryz isn't on his downside.
Will see what happens but Bryz isn't the problem IMO.

- stveshdy

even if Bryz is in the waning years of his contract and they hit their prime, there is still plenty of time to get a replacement if they haven't groomed one by then.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:24 PM ET
He just wants a younger goalie to go with the core so that when those guys hit their peak Bryz isn't on his downside.
Will see what happens but Bryz isn't the problem IMO.

- stveshdy


And apparently it's going to take longer then 5 years for those guys to hit their peak.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:24 PM ET
There's nothing to follow. You're weakening the team at a key position. And giving away top assets to do it. Follow?

You trade top assets to fill needs. Goaltending is not a need.

- MJL

Hmmm I've said trade a cooter or read orchecky or briere or a combo in any way homer feels to get the like of a perry subban young goalie or the likes. Deal deal deal deal deal deal!!!! 2nd line wingers dime a dozen 2nd line or 3rd line center important but not as important as #1 winger or dman especially when we will have at least 5 55555555555555 damn centers next year. Yeah weaken a team that isn't winning cup anyti
E soon with average defense average goalie at chance for a perry and subban or the likeS.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:25 PM ET
Didn't tye get cut from Oshawa at some point in his career?
- moylander


I don't know. I heard very little about him until this year. But I don't put much time into following prospects.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:26 PM ET
And apparently it's going to take longer then 5 years for those guys to hit their peak.
- MJL

that's also totally omitting the fact that the Flyers will add any number of free agents over the years. I would be all in for buying out bryzgalov if there's a suitable replacement waiting in the wings. As it stands, Leighton and Boucher are next on the depth chart, and we've seen that movie.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 9:26 PM ET
even if Bryz is in the waning years of his contract and they hit their prime, there is still plenty of time to get a replacement if they haven't groomed one by then.
- JoeRussomanno


I understand that. Just saying what he is thinking. Well that's my guess atleast. Ha
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 9:27 PM ET
And apparently it's going to take longer then 5 years for those guys to hit their peak.
- MJL


No clue. If I knew that I would be working for the Flyers.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:27 PM ET
I understand that. Just saying what he is thinking. Well that's my guess atleast. Ha
- stveshdy

I was just pointing out the fault in said *cough logic...
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:28 PM ET
Hmmm I've said trade a cooter or read orchecky or briere or a combo in any way homer feels to get the like of a perry subban young goalie or the likes. Deal deal deal deal deal deal!!!! 2nd line wingers dime a dozen 2nd line or 3rd line center important but not as important as #1 winger or dman especially when we will have at least 5 55555555555555 damn centers next year. Yeah weaken a team that isn't winning cup anyti
E soon with average defense average goalie at chance for a perry and subban or the likeS.

- SMS4016

you are forgetting that another team has to be willing to accept your trade. In case you haven't noticed, the Flyers have had a hard time finding said trade partners.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:29 PM ET
Why do you guys torture yourselves?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 18 @ 9:29 PM ET
Hmmm I've said trade a cooter or read orchecky or briere or a combo in any way homer feels to get the like of a perry subban young goalie or the likes. Deal deal deal deal deal deal!!!! 2nd line wingers dime a dozen 2nd line or 3rd line center important but not as important as #1 winger or dman especially when we will have at least 5 55555555555555 damn centers next year. Yeah weaken a team that isn't winning cup anyti
E soon with average defense average goalie at chance for a perry and subban or the likeS.

- SMS4016


That's the whole problem. You have Couturier labeled as a 3rd line Center. He has the potential to be a 1st line Center on a lot of teams. That's what you apparently can't grasp. So let's trade him because we have 5 Centers.

You don't trade any of those players for a young Goalie when you already have a Goalie. Nor for a player that is going to be a UFA that you can't re-sign during the Season unless you make other moves. With the exception of Briere. But he has a NMC.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 18 @ 9:30 PM ET
Why do you guys torture yourselves?
- Pixote Andolini

doing God's work sir.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 18 @ 9:31 PM ET
Why do you guys torture yourselves?
- Pixote Andolini

I'm trying to be open minded. Take in others views that are different.
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