I have never had that problem. My dad calls it the walking dead. My brother suffers from it.
- jak521

Hate it. My parents and brother can seemingly get up and go. I can only do it when my schedule changes, then after about a month or so I go back to how it was. It sucks. Note: My schedule changed January 2. This morning I woke up 10 minutes before I had to leave. Got here on time, though.

#winning

Secondary assist king. Thats what he is called in his native country of Alaska.
- jak521

It is a fact that most of his assists are secondary.

But really if you just think about his play, he's not that puck moving guy that skates the puck out of the zone with aplomb, he's not that guy who wins board battles and skates/ passes the puck out of the zone to spark a rush...he starts brekaouts mostly behind the net..he waits and if a stretch or cross pass isn't there, he just gets it up to his D partner to start the rush. He isn't confident skating the puck out to start the rush like a true puck mover should be. Indeed we've seen a number of dangerous gaffes over the years when he's been unsure handling the puck deep in his own zone.

On full ice breakouts, when he played with Timonen a while back (pre-Pronger), he would feed it to Timonen to carry the mail up out of the zone to start the rush. With Pronger, Carle would mostly just get the puck to him so he could key the breakout with a great first pass or (Pronger would) skate up to the red line and fire it on net. Think about it. How often did you see Carle really leading the break out of the zone? Not much.

Carle got most of his points from opportunistic pinching once the zone was gained and on the PP. A relatively small percentage of his point production was generated from him actually moving the puck up beyond the blueline on the break/rush to key the play, like you would see more with the true puck movers in the league.

Again, Carle is a good overall player, above average, and a top 4 for sure, but I think this perception of him as a skilled or true puck mover is laregly misguided.

Can anyone specifically describe exactly what it is that Carle would be doing (if he was still a Flyer) that the team is failing now to do without him? Would he be winning those physical board battles in the D zone and getting the puck up swiftly to the forwards? I don't think so. Would he be skating it out of the zone himself? From what I've seen, he's just not that guy (at least not too often). So, what is it that he would be doing that's that much different or better than what Grossman, Timo, Coburn, Gusty (and soon, Mez) are capable of? I just don't see it.

It is a fact that most of his assists are secondary.

But really if you just think about his play, he's not that puck moving guy that skates the puck out of the zone with aplomb, he's not that guy who wins board battles and skates/ passes the puck out of the zone to spark a rush...he starts brekaouts mostly behind the net..he waits and if a stretch or cross pass isn't there, he just gets it up to his D partner to start the rush. He isn't confident skating the puck out to start the rush like a true puck mover should be. Indeed we've seen a number of dangerous gaffes over the years when he's been unsure handling the puck deep in his own zone.

On full ice breakouts, when he played with Timonen a while back (pre-Pronger), he would feed it to Timonen to carry the mail up out of the zone to start the rush. With Pronger, Carle would mostly just get the puck to him so he could key the breakout with a great first pass or (Pronger would) skate up to the red line and fire it on net. Think about it. How often did you see Carle really leading the break out of the zone? Not much.

Carle got most of his points from opportunistic pinching once the zone was gained and on the PP. A relatively small percentage of his point production was generated from him actually moving the puck up beyond the blueline on the break/rush to key the play, like you would see more with the true puck movers in the league.

Again, Carle is a good overall player, above average, and a top 4 for sure, but I think this perception of him as a skilled or true puck mover is laregly misguided.

Can anyone specifically describe exactly what it is that Carle would be doing (if he was still a Flyer) that the team is failing now to do without him? Would he be winning those physical board battles in the D zone and getting the puck up swiftly to the forwards? I don't think so. Would he be skating it out of the zone himself? From what I've seen, he's just not that guy (at least not too often). So, what is it that he would be doing that's that much different or better than what Grossman, Timo, Coburn, Gusty (and soon, Mez) are capable of? I just don't see it.
- phantasm

Oh, Exlund, how we've missed you...

You're not winning anyone over to your thinking on Matt Carle, though the attempt is admirable.

It is a fact that most of his assists are secondary.


- phantasm

In 2011-12, Matt Carle had 18 primary assists and 19 secondary assists.

In the same season, Norris Trophy winner Erik Karlsson had 30 primary assists and 29 secondary.

That's a pretty similar split.

Want another? Kris Letang had 15 primary assists in 2011-12. He had 16 secondary.

Oh, Exlund, how we've missed you...

You're not winning anyone over to your thinking on Matt Carle, though the attempt is admirable.
- Flyskippy

Skip, don't you understand? The act known as 'Matt Carle' is all smoke and mirrors. In fact, he's not even a real hockey player! It's just an elaborate illusion to trick internet hockey forum users into overrating a supposed puck mover.

Oh, Exlund, how we've missed you...

You're not winning anyone over to your thinking on Matt Carle, though the attempt is admirable.
- Flyskippy

I'm getting a big kick out of it!

In 2011-12, Matt Carle had 18 primary assists and 19 secondary assists.

In the same season, Norris Trophy winner Erik Karlsson had 30 primary assists and 29 secondary.

That's a pretty similar split.

Want another? Kris Letang had 15 primary assists in 2011-12. He had 16 secondary.
- Jsaquella

And the Season before that Carle averaged exactly the same percentage of A1/60 as A2/60. Maybe get the facts before announcing something is a fact? There's an obvious and clear bias.

And the Season before that Carle averaged exactly the same percentage of A1/60 as A2/60. Maybe get the facts before announcing something is a fact? There's an obvious and clear bias.
- MJL

All told, more secondary assists than primary...I didn't specify for a specific year, so why should you?

Carle is overrated by many on here and you are the leader of that pack. You went on HF boards and they laughed you off there with your obvious overrating of Carle. Again, let me say, he's a good player. I never said he wasn't. but the idea that he's this great puck mover is bogus. NOBODY has been able to tell me exactly what it is Carle did/does with the puck that was so special. Did he carry the puck out of the zone often? No. Did he win physical puck battles and clear the zone better than current players? Nope. So why do we miss him so much again? Someone break it down for me...forget stats, tell me in terms of on ice observation...describe Carle's puck moving abilities in specific terms. How does he do it exactly?

I'll tell you what. The confident, decisive puck moving plays made by the likes of Schenn, Grossman and even Gervais against the Pens tonight were as good or better than Carle's typical work imo. I maintain that the team isn't suddenly lacking in the ability to move the puck just because Carle isn't around. Most of the D moved the puck extremely well out of the D zone tonight. Yes, there were a few minutes where the Pens applied some pressure and the Flyers couldn't get the puck out, but that happened with Carle here and ,for most teams, it happens at least once or twice a game. It's just the nature of the ebb and flow of a game.

Again, I never said Carle was a bad player. I just believe his probably about 25% overrated (and paid) and not the great puck mover that many seem to think he is.

Oh, Exlund, how we've missed you...

You're not winning anyone over to your thinking on Matt Carle, though the attempt is admirable.
- Flyskippy

Really not attempting to win anything or anyone. I trust my own opinions about these matters. If someone sees some truth in what I am saying, so be it, but if they don't that's fine too.

All told, more secondary assists than primary...I didn't specify for a specific year, so why should you?

Carle is overrated by many on here and you are the leader of that pack. You went on HF boards and they laughed you off there with your obvious overrating of Carle. Again, let me say, he's a good player. I never said he wasn't. but the idea that he's this great puck mover is bogus. NOBODY has been able to tell me exactly what it is Carle did/does with the puck that was so special. Did he carry the puck out of the zone often? No. Did he win physical puck battles and clear the zone better than current players? Nope. So why do we miss him so much again? Someone break it down for me...forget stats, tell me in terms of on ice observation...describe Carle's puck moving abilities in specific terms. How does he do it exactly?

I'll tell you what. The confident, decisive puck moving plays made by the likes of Schenn, Grossman and even Gervais against the Pens tonight were as good or better than Carle's typical work imo. I maintain that the team isn't suddenly lacking in the ability to move the puck just because Carle isn't around. Most of the D moved the puck extremely well out of the D zone tonight. Yes, there were a few minutes where the Pens applied some pressure and the Flyers couldn't get the puck out, but that happened with Carle here and ,for most teams, it happens at least once or twice a game. It's just the nature of the ebb and flow of a game.

Again, I never said Carle was a bad player. I just believe his probably about 25% overrated (and paid) and not the great puck mover that many seem to think he is.
- phantasm

Another really strong game of puck moving tonight (dominant win against the Caps) from Grossman, Schenn and Gervais.