I didn't get to watch the game yesterday, but saw the highlights.
One several goals, (the Read and Rinaldo ones specifically), Nabakov seemed way out of position, basically coming 4 feet out and spinning around in circles. I've been reading about how he made some nice saves, but he looked pretty awful on those 2, as well as the 2nd G goal. I'm not saying the Flyers didn't deserve them, but Nabakov didn't help his own cause on them either.

I'd love to have Johnson, but I can't see Colorado moving him. Teams rarely trade quality young defenseman with #1 potential.
- BiggE

That's the thing, If I'm moving Couturier's potential I want a #1 defenseman or somebody with the kind of potential. I agree with Bill on Couturier's ceiling.

20-25 goals, 65 points and Selke level defense is hard to find. Kid's 20 years old and he's already a shut down center.

couts, coby for ROR, EJ and a 2nd...that's prob as far as i could stretch it. we save a little on one contract, but couts vs ROR would hurt $$-wise.

From your mouth to Homer's ears regarding O'Reilly/Couturier

couts, coby for ROR, EJ and a 2nd...that's prob as far as i could stretch it. we save a little on one contract, but couts vs ROR would hurt $$-wise.
- isaiah520

The Coburn for EJ aspect leaves the defense group pretty much the same. EJ's better & cheaper, but only slightly and Gervais is still playing too many minutes

That's the thing, If I'm moving Couturier's potential I want a #1 defenseman or somebody with the kind of potential. I agree with Bill on Couturier's ceiling.

20-25 goals, 65 points and Selke level defense is hard to find. Kid's 20 years old and he's already a shut down center.
- Jsaquella

I agree, Couturier reminds me a lot of Guy Carbonneau, but with more offensive upside and those guys don't grow on trees. The problem is #1 defenseman don't grow on em either and are almost impossible to acquire.

I agree, Couturier reminds me a lot of Guy Carbonneau, but with more offensive upside and those guys don't grow on trees. The problem is #1 defenseman don't grow on em either and are almost impossible to acquire.
- BiggE

I'm one of those who feel that they don't absolutely need a number one defenseman, just a good, top four puck mover. When Meszaros gets back, you add a good solid puck mover, you have a good defense.

Only sorta related: Would you trade B. Schenn for J. Carlson straight up? I'm biased, so I'd be tempted.

From your mouth to Homer's ears regarding O'Reilly/Couturier
- nastyflyergirl

I honestly think this was the Flyers practicing due diligence per usual and the thing just kinda blew up. I blame Twitter, Matt Carle and Lavy's system in that order.

Only sorta related: Would you trade B. Schenn for J. Carlson straight up? I'm biased, so I'd be tempted.
- jmatchett

yes

I honestly think this was the Flyers practicing due diligence per usual and the thing just kinda blew up. I blame Twitter, Matt Carle and Lavy's system in that order.
- NickTheKid87

You forgot Carter, it's mainly his fault. Shot it right into Niemi's chest.

Only sorta related: Would you trade B. Schenn for J. Carlson straight up? I'm biased, so I'd be tempted.
- jmatchett

That's very tempting.

I honestly think this was the Flyers practicing due diligence per usual and the thing just kinda blew up. I blame Twitter, Matt Carle and Lavy's system in that order.
- NickTheKid87

stevens and carter have to be in that mix, too.

I honestly think this was the Flyers practicing due diligence per usual and the thing just kinda blew up. I blame Twitter, Matt Carle and Lavy's system in that order.
- NickTheKid87

I would also add Jeff Carter, John Stevens, Lindros' father, Hextall's wonky groin, Dave Poulin's ribs, and Leon Stickle.

The Coburn for EJ aspect leaves the defense group pretty much the same. EJ's better & cheaper, but only slightly and Gervais is still playing too many minutes
- Jsaquella

the whole thing is dependent upon your opinion of EJs upside. if he dramatically improves, then it would be worth it, but i would not make take that gamble.

I would also add Jeff Carter, John Stevens, Lindros' father, Hextall's wonky groin, Dave Poulin's ribs, and Leon Stickle.
- johndewar

What about Richards and his partying ways?

the whole thing is dependent upon your opinion of EJs upside. if he dramatically improves, then it would be worth it, but i would not make take that gamble.
- isaiah520

Oh yeah, if he managed to realize the potential he had when he was drafted, absolutely.

What about Richards and his pre-season flab?
- jmatchett

ftfy

What about Richards and his partying ways?
- jmatchett

All non-Dry Islanders

the whole thing is dependent upon your opinion of EJs upside. if he dramatically improves, then it would be worth it, but i would not make take that gamble.
- isaiah520

dramatically improves at age 25? unlikely.

Only sorta related: Would you trade B. Schenn for J. Carlson straight up? I'm biased, so I'd be tempted.
- jmatchett

I would at least consider it. Both guys have a lot of potential and are already impact players.

I'm one of those who feel that they don't absolutely need a number one defenseman, just a good, top four puck mover. When Meszaros gets back, you add a good solid puck mover, you have a good defense.
- Jsaquella

Good point, I would be happy with a solid top 6 that can match against any line. I think when Mez comes back they have 5. While i feel that Gustafsson or Gervais are ok as the 6th man, I would much rather pick up one more solid defenseman at the deadline for maybe a 2nd and a prospect and let Gus and Gervais be the spares.

I would also add Jeff Carter, John Stevens, Lindros' father, Hextall's wonky groin, Dave Poulin's ribs, and Leon Stickle.
- johndewar

May as well throw in Howe's knees, Kerr's shoulder and Clarke trading McCrimmon for a couple of picks too!!

Good point, I would be happy with a solid top 6 that can match against any line. I think when Mez comes back they have 5. While i feel that Gustafsson or Gervais are ok as the 6th man, I would much rather pick up one more solid defenseman at the deadline for maybe a 2nd and a prospect and let Gus and Gervais be the spares.
- BiggE

Agreed. The defense isn't bad, just not crazy about the mix...it leans big and defense first.

can we keep our own 1st round pick for more than 5 minutes, without dumping him trying to fill a need elsewhere, for (frank)'s sake?

he's a 20 year old kid with tremendous potential, who has already done an admirable job at the nhl level. he was a gift selection at #8.


- hammarby31

+1