after the first week, i was sure we were only going to kill 65.5% for the year.
- OrangeBlack27

I didn't think it would remain that poor. Law of average say you will kill some off, I didn't expect the dramatic improvement so quickly though.

the idea of paying a past his prime player 8mil a year is the problem.

but the thought of life without giroux has to be factored in, as well. there's no easy substitute and life without giroux costs the flyers a lot more than what they'd save by not extending him.

either way, it's moot. holmgren will pay him 10 mil a year to stick, if he has to.
- OrangeBlack27

I see what you're saying but the cap is going to rise significantly thus reducing the impact of that salary

the idea of paying a past his prime player 8mil a year is the problem.

but the thought of life without giroux has to be factored in, as well. there's no easy substitute and life without giroux costs the flyers a lot more than what they'd save by not extending him.

either way, it's moot. holmgren will pay him 10 mil a year to stick, if he has to.
- OrangeBlack27

You think at 33 he'll be past his prime?

the idea of paying a past his prime player 8mil a year is the problem.

but the thought of life without giroux has to be factored in, as well. there's no easy substitute and life without giroux costs the flyers a lot more than what they'd save by not extending him.

either way, it's moot. holmgren will pay him 10 mil a year to stick, if he has to.
- OrangeBlack27

Giroux relies on hockey sense over physicality much like Datsyuk, Forsberg, etc. He projects to be a much more effective player in his mid-30s than someone who depends on strength/speed to be effective.

kind of feel bad for the linesman. people acting like he missed a call by 10 feet, when really he (mistakenly) thought the preds played the puck back into their own zone (which, i'm guessing a few people don't realize negates an offside). for some reason, this distinction makes a big difference to me.
- OrangeBlack27

But how could he have even considered that? Both defensemen had their back to their goalie and never ever controlled it; can't think of a reason they'd ever try to pass the puck in that direction. Whatever, it happens, at least it wasn't against the Flyers.

the idea of paying a past his prime player 8mil a year is the problem.

but the thought of life without giroux has to be factored in, as well. there's no easy substitute and life without giroux costs the flyers a lot more than what they'd save by not extending him.

either way, it's moot. holmgren will pay him 10 mil a year to stick, if he has to.
- OrangeBlack27

Giroux won't get more money per year than Crosby did, not with a lowered salary cap. And the Flyers have to pay Couturier and B Schenn in 2014, too.

I didn't think it would remain that poor. Law of average say you will kill some off, I didn't expect the dramatic improvement so quickly though.
- PLindbergh31

tru

id trade brieres for oreally

Giroux relies on hockey sense over physicality much like Datsyuk, Forsberg, etc. He projects to be a much more effective player in his mid-30s than someone who depends on strength/speed to be effective.
- NickTheKid87

Also he's multi-dimensional for example kills penalties. Paying him that much would be like paying briere 6.5 except you get more rounded player.

I'd consider Couturier to get Pietrangelo. Problem is, you'd have to give up more, and I'm not even sure I'd want to do it straight up.
- jmatchett

You wouldn't do it straight up? Have you considered exploratory surgery to remove the orange hue in your vision?

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- OrangeBlack27

The Dan Line... long time no see.

Giroux won't get more money per year than Crosby did, not with a lowered salary cap. And the Flyers have to pay Couturier and B Schenn in 2014, too.
- Feanor

Crosby took a huge discount. I'm not sure if Giroux will do the same, and that's not a knock on G's character. Also, G can't sign a 12 year deal like Crosby.

You think at 33 he'll be past his prime?
- twotoekenn

aren't like 95% of players?

The more I see Voracek play, the more I start to think he might have been worth the Carter trade all on his own. When you add Coots to the mix, it just seems so lopsided in our favor. Voracek seems to be a much larger and physical version of Leino, setting linemates up from the wing. And I don't think playing with Jagr hurt his development at all either. Thus far he has been the Catalyst on both the Giroux/Read and Schenn/Mcginn scoring lines.

The Dan Line... long time no see.
- mayorofangrytown

thank you, lord

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- OrangeBlack27

The more I see Voracek play, the more I start to think he might have been worth the Carter trade all on his own. When you add Coots to the mix, it just seems so lopsided in our favor. Voracek seems to be a much larger and physical version of Leino, setting linemates up from the wing. And I don't think playing with Jagr hurt his development at all either. Thus far he has been the Catalyst on both the Giroux/Read and Schenn/Mcginn scoring lines.
- flyler

voracek has been the second best all-around forward on the team for about a calendar year now.

He's in the prime of his career now, after 2 or 3 years of his next deal, he'll be in decline. Why pay him like he's in his prime when he won't be? That's why a shorter deal would be optimal. (not saying it'll happen, though)
- bradleyc4

This post 100%. We should trade him now while his value is highest. We could probably get a 1st rounder for him.

100%.

if the flyers dressed a fourth line like that today, my b1tching would admittedly be intolerable.
- OrangeBlack27

So what your saying is that this is you being tolerable.

Yeeesh!

voracek has been the second best all-around forward on the team for about a calendar year now.
- OrangeBlack27

Jake is great. I really hope they don't trade him.

The more I see Voracek play, the more I start to think he might have been worth the Carter trade all on his own. When you add Coots to the mix, it just seems so lopsided in our favor. Voracek seems to be a much larger and physical version of Leino, setting linemates up from the wing. And I don't think playing with Jagr hurt his development at all either. Thus far he has been the Catalyst on both the Giroux/Read and Schenn/Mcginn scoring lines.
- flyler

I suggested last year putting jake Hartnell and briere on a line. Over the summer lobbied for him to be on g's line with departure of jagr. He's the perfect in house "space creator" we need to compliment Giroux as teams are clamping down on him.

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- OrangeBlack27

I heard Lavi was thinking of tinkering a bit with that first line

Speaking of Lavi, maybe he strategically sat McGinn yesterday to get the big guy fired up to have a big game against Pitt? I wonder if he plays tomorrow or if Lavi sticks with the winning lineup from yesterday. I kinda like the idea of another big body in there against the Pens, but who would sit? Anyway just my thoughts and what do I know? Hell sometimes even I can fall into the ole "Him no hit, him no score, him useless" mindset.

Giroux relies on hockey sense over physicality much like Datsyuk, Forsberg, etc. He projects to be a much more effective player in his mid-30s than someone who depends on strength/speed to be effective.
- NickTheKid87

surely. because of his particular skillset and value in all three zones, he's more of an outlier than the norm forward who peaks at age 25. he may never score 93 points again, but he'll be a 1C for probably another five years.

You wouldn't do it straight up? Have you considered exploratory surgery to remove the orange hue in your vision?
- Just5

I haven't really seen Pietrangelo play, so I can't say. I know his offense is nice, but I can't speak to his individual skills past his stats.

The more I see Voracek play, the more I start to think he might have been worth the Carter trade all on his own. When you add Coots to the mix, it just seems so lopsided in our favor. Voracek seems to be a much larger and physical version of Leino, setting linemates up from the wing. And I don't think playing with Jagr hurt his development at all either. Thus far he has been the Catalyst on both the Giroux/Read and Schenn/Mcginn scoring lines.
- flyler

Jake's a lot more talented than Leino as well. He's got a ton of upside and I would trade him straight up for Carter 8 days a week. Even this year, Carter has 6 goals and an assist in 13 games while Voracek has 3 goals and 12 assists in 17 games. Plus Jake's a great tweeter.