Couts only straight up....nothing more nothing less...Laughton will be a third line center and schenn is better gifted offensively than Couts is. - Philly1980
Not nearly enough. If Phoenix were to deal OEL it would be because it gave them a belief it would provide a strong immediate result and some playoff revenues. The players coming back would have to be young. OEL is not the top point man right now. Yendle remains notionally ahead of him. But he is only 21 and he is coming on strong. In addition, Phoenix has a very deep bench on D. It would have to be a mega offer. OEL is better fit than Weber.
Not nearly enough. If Phoenix were to deal OEL it would be because it gave them a belief it would provide a strong immediate result and some playoff revenues. The players coming back would have to be young. OEL is not the top point man right now. Yendle remains notionally ahead of him. But he is only 21 and he is coming on strong. In addition, Phoenix has a very deep bench on D. It would have to be a mega offer. OEL is better fit than Weber. - spatso
Okay please don't have a heart attack. I would offer one of Schenn or Couturier and one of either Read or Voracek or Simmonds. One player from each list. Choice of who to Phoenix. - spatso
In this case I love oel but that's a little too much. I would go coots or schenn +a #1 and maybe a mid level prospect Ie wellwood. Maybe add a few lower level picks if needed. But a package like that wouldn't kill us and it could be for other young dman too.
Not nearly enough. If Phoenix were to deal OEL it would be because it gave them a belief it would provide a strong immediate result and some playoff revenues. The players coming back would have to be young. OEL is not the top point man right now. Yendle remains notionally ahead of him. But he is only 21 and he is coming on strong. In addition, Phoenix has a very deep bench on D. It would have to be a mega offer. OEL is better fit than Weber. - spatso
My offer stops at couts and a #1.....phoenix is owned by the Nhl....Nhl is owned by NBC....see what im getting at LOL.
I haven't this year. Their mindset last summer was make a legitimate cup run. Not develop a young core for the future. Bryz was more of a sure thing, and still is the better goalie. Prongers situation has thrown a really monkey wrench that they are still dealing with. But last year they envisioned a real cup run - Just5
I agree with this post except for the Cup run part. Homer was quoted as saying he didn't know if the team would be better after the trades of Carter & Richards but that they'd be different. You're absolutely correct about Pronger's injury being a wrench in the gears.
Age, mobility and the ability to control the offensive attack. Not as good as Weber defensively. Next to Eric Karlsson, OEL is best young Dman in the league. Remember he has nothing up front to play with on the attack. Imagine the result if you had a guy like OEL who could get the puck to Giroux at full speed.
I respectfully disagree. This is an okay Flyers team. It is not "very good," imho. The young guys are too inconsistent; the older guys are too, actually. Looking at the season as a whole the only area I'd call "good" is goaltending. The rest has been just "okay."
I understand just looking at numbers can be deceptive, but it can also be indicative of something.
The Flyers defense... you know, the one that is terrible offensively.. has a combined 26 points.
Phx has 29.
Edm- 16
Min- with that Super Hero Suter? : 23
SJ: 20
Bos, La, NYI, NJ: 25
This list goes on and on.
On top of it, our second best point producing D-man has missed nearly the whole start of the season...
When Meszy gets back, and with the addition of Gusty.. we have a pretty mobile D.
Kimmo-Schenn
Cobhorn-Grossmann
Meszy-Gusty
- jak521
There is no question that if Meszaros can get and stay healthy and get his game back, he'll be a big boost. But they will eventually need to get a top defensman. And it's going to come at a high cost. It's just a question of what they're willing to pay.
I expect more drama today. That's my prediction. Propose moves, cringe when they're criticized, & cry foul. It's been done before. - Flyskippy
1st off I don't cry foul. When Ritchie and carts were traded all over this site a lot of people were screaming pissed. I was jumping for joy and I loves Ritchie. But when you realize your not winning cup with your core you make changes. Do you think we can win a cup with this team if we stand pat for the next 5 to 7 with only minor tweaks? If not let's move a few pieces now and get the major pieces everyone says we need. #1 dman and winger. Agreed or no?
Age, mobility and the ability to control the offensive attack. Not as good as Weber defensively. Next to Eric Karlsson, OEL is best young Dman in the league. Remember he has nothing up front to play with on the attack. Imagine the result if you had a guy like OEL who could get the puck to Giroux at full speed. - spatso
Age is about it. And with Weber being 27, not much of a factor. OEL may become a #1 defenseman. Weber already is, if not the best in the NHL. Weber is a better fit in every way.
1st off I don't cry foul. When Ritchie and carts were traded all over this site a lot of people were screaming pissed. I was jumping for joy and I loves Ritchie. But when you realize your not winning cup with your core you make changes. Do you think we can win a cup with this team if we stand pat for the next 5 to 7 with only minor tweaks? If not let's move a few pieces now and get the major pieces everyone says we need. #1 dman and winger. Agreed or no? - SMS4016
There isn't anyone on this board who is advocating standing pat, or not making any changes. But we want smart and good moves made. Not just awful moves. Such as another bad move you suggested today. Keeping Bobrovsky. You called Bryzgalov an average Goalie the other day. Bobrovsky, although talented, is an average Goalie. And is no where near the player that Bryzgalov is.
I understand just looking at numbers can be deceptive, but it can also be indicative of something.
The Flyers defense... you know, the one that is terrible offensively.. has a combined 26 points.
Phx has 29.
Edm- 16
Min- with that Super Hero Suter? : 23
SJ: 20
Bos, La, NYI, NJ: 25
This list goes on and on.
On top of it, our second best point producing D-man has missed nearly the whole start of the season...
When Meszy gets back, and with the addition of Gusty.. we have a pretty mobile D.
Kimmo-Schenn
Cobhorn-Grossmann
Meszy-Gusty
- jak521
Point is good. But anybody on the back end will get points because the forwards are so strong. It is a very different thing to be able to have a dominant power play or a team that can attack quickly out of their own zone.
I am not being critical of the Flyer D. They are doing okay for the skills they have. But, they are missing the skills of a true #1.
I agree with this post except for the Cup run part. Homer was quoted as saying he didn't know if the team would be better after the trades of Carter & Richards but that they'd be different. You're absolutely correct about Pronger's injury being a wrench in the gears. - Flyskippy
As a Penguins fan the day that the Flyers traded Richards and Carter, was a very very good day. That team felt like it was on the brink of greatness, you were always a scary team to play. Now it just seems like your team either shows up big time or doesnt show up at all. There is no middle ground, no stability. Its not always the same team to play. After you destroyed us last year in the playoffs the next round you guys didnt seem like you even wanted to be there. Its very strange, by the way I hate you all.
There is no question that if Meszaros can get and stay healthy and get his game back, he'll be a big boost. But they will eventually need to get a top defensman. And it's going to come at a high cost. It's just a question of what they're willing to pay. - MJL
I agree with you, but we also have 2 years to truly figure out how to do that. I just dont want them to overpay to get what they need.
As a Penguins fan the day that the Flyers traded Richards and Carter, was a very very good day. That team felt like it was on the brink of greatness, you were always a scary team to play. Now it just seems like your team either shows up big time or doesnt show up at all. There is no middle ground, no stability. Its not always the same team to play. After you destroyed us last year in the playoffs the next round you guys didnt seem like you even wanted to be there. Its very strange, by the way I hate you all. - nbartley9
Just a young team beginning to learn how good they really are, inconsistancy is part of the growing process.
As a Penguins fan the day that the Flyers traded Richards and Carter, was a very very good day. That team felt like it was on the brink of greatness, you were always a scary team to play. Now it just seems like your team either shows up big time or doesnt show up at all. There is no middle ground, no stability. Its not always the same team to play. After you destroyed us last year in the playoffs the next round you guys didnt seem like you even wanted to be there. Its very strange, by the way I hate you all. - nbartley9
I think a lot of that has to do with the sheer amount of young players..
Last year in the playoffs was a case of the Flyers being emotionally exhausted after a huge series win. They were not ready for the Devils.
This team (in a few years) will be right back to that perennial contender status.
As a Penguins fan the day that the Flyers traded Richards and Carter, was a very very good day. That team felt like it was on the brink of greatness, you were always a scary team to play. Now it just seems like your team either shows up big time or doesnt show up at all. There is no middle ground, no stability. Its not always the same team to play. After you destroyed us last year in the playoffs the next round you guys didnt seem like you even wanted to be there. Its very strange, by the way I hate you all. - nbartley9
Hate to tell you, it was pretty much that way when Carter and Richards were here, too. When they went to the SCF in 2010, let's not forget that they needed a game 82 shootout to even make the playoffs.
I haven't this year. Their mindset last summer was make a legitimate cup run. Not develop a young core for the future. Bryz was more of a sure thing, and still is the better goalie. Prongers situation has thrown a really monkey wrench that they are still dealing with. But last year they envisioned a real cup run - Just5
And that's my main problem with Philly. They always think they can win the cup. They are way to young. Homer said when trading Ritchie and carts he wanted to get younger for the future. It's like they don't think we will accept a rebuild and I don't know why? I love that he has balls of steel. But finish it. Don't say we won't trade coots or schenn. Not both. I wouldn't either. But I refuse to believe a coots or schenn can't get us a #1 dman or winger. Perferrable a dman.
