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keptupl8
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We've had our pee pee slapped here, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!! Joined: 01.24.2010
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Fire the coach.... it helps - keptupl8
Incoming Ruff to CBJ. |
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Fire the coach.... it helps - keptupl8
That might happen but knowing Davidson it probably won't happen until near the end of or after the season. He'll encourage Kekalainen to give him a chance before making any decision. |
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Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets |
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Location: Montreal, QC Joined: 06.03.2008
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Incoming Ruff to CBJ. - poisondhearts37
I could really see that happening . |
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LeftCoaster
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Location: Valley Of The Sun Joined: 07.03.2009
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They've got nothing for forwards, how does that happen when you consistently finish low year after year after year??? |
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poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!! Joined: 01.24.2010
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They've got nothing for forwards, how does that happen when you consistently finish low year after year after year??? - LeftCoaster
Well, they draft them and then rush them. They have never developed a quality player. Nash is the only exception to the rules. Now hes gone. This crop of kids they have now may turn up some solid talents. Most of wish were not rushed. |
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They've got nothing for forwards, how does that happen when you consistently finish low year after year after year??? - LeftCoaster
Because they've rarely gotten the premium picks in any draft. Nash and Ryan Murray are the only top-three picks they've had. They've had the 4th overall selection three times, the sixth pick three times, the seventh once and the eighth pick twice. They haven't had the #1 or #2 picks multiple times like Edmonton and Pittsburgh. They haven't done a great job in the draft but haven't been as lucky as some teams either. |
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Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets |
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Location: Montreal, QC Joined: 06.03.2008
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Because they've rarely gotten the premium picks in any draft. Nash and Ryan Murray are the only top-three picks they've had. They've had the 4th overall selection three times, the sixth pick three times, the seventh once and the eighth pick twice. They haven't had the #1 or #2 picks multiple times like Edmonton and Pittsburgh. They haven't done a great job in the draft but haven't been as lucky as some teams either. - Glen Miller
-Leclair could of been good if he stayed healthy
-Brassard was almost a point per game in his first full rookie year before falling to injury after a fight with Neil, after that he was never the same.
-Voracek is a decent second line winger.
-Filatov was a real ''Russian'' bust, plenty of skill on larger rinks but couldnt commit to the physical game of smaller rinks.Although he did show promise with a hat trick against the wild in his first nhl game.
-I hope Johanson pulls it together, he shows promise in the faceoff circle but still needs to developpe on his hockey savy.
-Zherdev , was Alexei Yashin 2.0 , plenty of skill but no heart . |
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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Wow...who saw this coming |
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Wow...who saw this coming - systemtool
I like the avatar. However, how has your comment added anything of value to the discussion? |
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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I like the avatar. However, how has your comment added anything of value to the discussion? - Glen Miller
Like any good riddle, you need to take your time and think it over. It will come to you in time. |
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Eric 1
Season Ticket Holder Columbus Blue Jackets |
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Joined: 09.29.2008
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Sorry Glenn, but that is the company line and it is crap. Good teams scout and draft well. A few examples a) Derrick Brassard could be Jonathan Bernier, Kyle Okposo, Claude Giroux or Patrick Berglund b) Jake Voracek could be Logan Couture, Brandon Sutter or P.K. Subban c)Nikita Filatov could have been Josh Bailey, Erik Karlsson, Jake Gardiner, Michael Del Zotto or Tyler Ennis and d)Ryan Johanssen could have been Cam Fowler or Vladimir Tarasenko. Of course you then need to develop your talent, something else we have totally failed at. But blaming bad draft luck is a lame excuse. |
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LeftCoaster
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Location: Valley Of The Sun Joined: 07.03.2009
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Sorry Glenn, but that is the company line and it is crap. Good teams scout and draft well. A few examples a) Derrick Brassard could be Jonathan Bernier, Kyle Okposo, Claude Giroux or Patrick Berglund b) Jake Voracek could be Logan Couture, Brandon Sutter or P.K. Subban c)Nikita Filatov could have been Josh Bailey, Erik Karlsson, Jake Gardiner, Michael Del Zotto or Tyler Ennis and d)Ryan Johanssen could have been Cam Fowler or Vladimir Tarasenko. Of course you then need to develop your talent, something else we have totally failed at. But blaming bad draft luck is a lame excuse. - Eric 1
The biggest problem, IMO, is they don't know how to develop and they have no paitence. Look at Voracek, he's leading Philly in scoring but he was never treated with any paitence and never put in a position to succeed. He's got two more points tonight and is now top ten in scoring.
JD will do wonders for this team, need a coach that is willing to play and COACH young players. As a general rule of thumb the NHL is not a development league, but rather a results driven league. However, Philly is playing young players and they're doing fine. |
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CBJ18
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Location: Columbus, OH Joined: 11.24.2010
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This team is exactly where I expected them to be this season... last. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised, there just isn't any talent on the team. |
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LeftCoaster
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Location: Valley Of The Sun Joined: 07.03.2009
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This team is exactly where I expected them to be this season... last. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised, there just isn't any talent on the team. - CBJ18
The upcoming draft could be very good to the franchise!! With multiple first rounders in a deep draft. |
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CBJ18
Columbus Blue Jackets |
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Location: Columbus, OH Joined: 11.24.2010
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The biggest problem, IMO, is they don't know how to develop and they have no paitence. Look at Voracek, he's leading Philly in scoring but he was never treated with any paitence and never put in a position to succeed. He's got two more points tonight and is now top ten in scoring. - LeftCoaster
I agree the Jackets haven't developed their draft picks well, but you have to also admit it's much easier to put a player in a position to succeed if the team he is coming to has quality talent around him. Voracek has plenty of help in Philly, therefore no pressure to succeed immediately.
Any prospect with a modicum of talent coming to Columbus was expected to be a savior. That's a lot of pressure and can easily kill a prospects confidence. |
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LeftCoaster
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Location: Valley Of The Sun Joined: 07.03.2009
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I agree the Jackets haven't developed their draft picks well, but you have to also admit it's much easier to put a player in a position to succeed if the team he is coming to has quality talent around him. Voracek has plenty of help in Philly, therefore no pressure to succeed immediately.
Any prospect with a modicum of talent coming to Columbus was expected to be a savior. That's a lot of pressure and can easily kill a prospects confidence. - CBJ18
Agreed, regarding Voracek, that's where a good systems coach comes into play. See Phoenix for an example. |
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Sorry Glenn, but that is the company line and it is crap. Good teams scout and draft well. A few examples a) Derrick Brassard could be Jonathan Bernier, Kyle Okposo, Claude Giroux or Patrick Berglund b) Jake Voracek could be Logan Couture, Brandon Sutter or P.K. Subban c)Nikita Filatov could have been Josh Bailey, Erik Karlsson, Jake Gardiner, Michael Del Zotto or Tyler Ennis and d)Ryan Johanssen could have been Cam Fowler or Vladimir Tarasenko. Of course you then need to develop your talent, something else we have totally failed at. But blaming bad draft luck is a lame excuse. - Eric 1
I'm not saying you are wrong but it's pretty damn easy to take Sidney Crosby or Alex Ovechkin when you are picking first. Malkin was taken 2nd overall. Yes, the Jackets could have drafted better players but looking at who they should have taken versus who they did is revisionist and not entirely fair.
Please understand, I am not defending previous administrations and the mistakes they've made. They certainly could have done better than they have but they haven't had that many obvious top selections relative to how poorly they've played. Look at Pittsburgh being able to take Malkin and Crosby 2 and 1 overall in consecutive years. Or Edmonton with 3, 1st overall picks. It makes it easier to get those elite talents and there is less guessing. |
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Agreed, regarding Voracek, that's where a good systems coach comes into play. See Phoenix for an example. - LeftCoaster
Definitely. The organization has a lot of improving left to do. But the players they've drafted highly have not been surrounded by much legitimate proven NHL talent either. That can hurt the development of those players. |
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CBJ18
Columbus Blue Jackets |
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Location: Columbus, OH Joined: 11.24.2010
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I could really see that happening . - Alexzanki
Anyone know if JD/Kekalainen would like Ruff's system or coaching style? |
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Eric 1
Season Ticket Holder Columbus Blue Jackets |
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Joined: 09.29.2008
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I actually agree with a lot of your "rebuttal". No organization gets all of 'em right-my point is that with the exception of Rick Nash, I don't think Columbus has ever come close to getting the best player available. And, bad teams must draft well, or they stay bad. if you look at who drafted the players I mentioned, with few exceptions they are strong organizations-no coincidence. In general this organization has accepted losing, starting with ownership, and disguised the need for change with phrases like "re-shaping". Please. |
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Anyone know if JD/Kekalainen would like Ruff's system or coaching style? - CBJ18
Can't imagine, given how badly Hitchcock flamed out of Columbus, that CBJ would be interested in hiring a Hitchcockian style coach. Given all the youngsters in the pipeline (Jenner, Johanssen, Murray) and the ones coming (3 first rounders) I'd imagine they'd want to hire a coach with a better rapport with the youngsters. Maybe Eakins make more sense??
Also, I imagine Lindy doesn't have 16 years worth of coaching left in him and would probably want to win a cup sooner rather than later. Don't think he's into re-build jobs. I could easily seeing him taking a job with a team like Washington. |
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shawno
Columbus Blue Jackets |
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Location: Hilliard, OH Joined: 03.12.2008
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They've got nothing for forwards, how does that happen when you consistently finish low year after year after year??? - LeftCoaster
This question is 100% the reason for the hiring of Jarmo Kekalainen. 3 picks in first round.
This team is BETTER than last years team. They are in every game, the problem is they can't seem to get anyone to finish around the net. If the opposing team scores 2 or more goals this team is dead. CBJ isn't scoring 3. |
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trolleytracks
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Apparently I troll every blog , ON Joined: 02.23.2012
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Three first round picks with two potentially in the top 10 means brighter days are ahead. As long as Jarmmo can get ownership to open up the wallet the Blue Jackets could be a fun team to watch in the next few years. |
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