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Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Feb 22 @ 8:58 AM ET
only listened to WIP when the Lindros trade happened and like you never complain?
- vejim


I complain, sure....But i dont whine like a little schoolgirl....
Only mistake homer has done IMO, is that he let carle and jagr walk...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 22 @ 8:59 AM ET
So every time there is a breakaway it has to result in a goal against? Cause that's what happens now.
- PLindbergh31


That is not what is being said. Shore up the defensive issues that are allowing breakaways at an alarming rate, and that would go a long way towards solving that issue.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 22 @ 8:59 AM ET
I believe we also got Ghost and Grossmann as a result as well.
- jak521


Admire Nik, but what the hell was he doing fighting the Ivy League Stache last night? Brave, but pretty dumb.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Feb 22 @ 8:59 AM ET
I complain, sure....But i dont whine like a little schoolgirl....
Only mistake homer has done IMO, is that he let carle and jagr walk...

- Philly1980

right, lets see what happens
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 22 @ 9:00 AM ET
That is not what is being said. Shore up the defensive issues that are allowing breakaways at an alarming rate, and that would go a long way towards solving that issue.
- MJL


Absolutely. I agree with that point. But when there are breakaways, you would like to see the goaltender make a save every now and again.
BoomGoesTheCoburn
Location: The Land of the Rising Sun
Joined: 10.27.2009

Feb 22 @ 9:00 AM ET
They'll make the necessary changes, and turn on a new light against The Peg on Saturday.

jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Feb 22 @ 9:00 AM ET
homer didn't want to be locked into 2 NTC w/ guys whose play wasn't worthy of a decade long commitment. that's his way of acknowledging his own mistake. i have other issues w/ homer, but both orgs are better off as a result of those deals. some other deals, not so much.
- isaiah520


I thought it was because one of them drank a beer once.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 22 @ 9:02 AM ET
I'm really questioning signing Timonen for next year. Overpaying him isn't even the issue, he looks basically shot to me.
- PLindbergh31

the back-to-backs are a killer for him, i bet. when mez comes back, they might want to consider backing off his ice time and if a plyoff spot is clinched, i would make him sit out here and there.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 22 @ 9:02 AM ET
Admire Nik, but what the hell was he doing fighting the Ivy League Stache last night? Brave, but pretty dumb.
- PLindbergh31


He was trying to fire the team up.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 22 @ 9:03 AM ET
Admire Nik, but what the hell was he doing fighting the Ivy League Stache last night? Brave, but pretty dumb.
- PLindbergh31


Good for Nick. Had no idea he could do that. Not that he fared well in the fight, but the notion that we would even drop the mitts at all.....

I was at the game and watched Parros drop the gloves and thought..."oh, wonder who he is fighting". Had no idea it was Grossmann until they actually squared off. I also wonder if Nick asked for the fight or not.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 22 @ 9:03 AM ET
the back-to-backs are a killer for him, i bet. when mez comes back, they might want to consider backing off his ice time and if a plyoff spot is clinched, i would make him sit out here and there.
- isaiah520


If this happens, it will be the last game of the season.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 22 @ 9:03 AM ET
So every time there is a breakaway it has to result in a goal against? Cause that's what happens now.
- PLindbergh31

yep. the goalie has to bail out his team from time to time...can't be an automatic.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 22 @ 9:03 AM ET
Funny I was just about to type the same thing! This is absolutely 100% correct. There will be defensive breakdowns, it's inevitable. As well as Bryz had been playing his inability to stop breakaways or partial ones, and penalty shots is somewhat troubling. I am glad the Flyers have only been in one shootout this year because he is terrible at those also. He has made some incredible saves this year and kept the team in many games when they couldn't find the back of the net, but breakaways are one on one hockey; shooter and goalie. Goalies have a distinct advantage over shooters in hockey in one on one situations, unlike soccer where most goalies don't have a prayer! Many times those breakaways could be game changing saves that Bryz isn't making.
- aantny88



It is certainly true that every team will have defensive breakdowns. And it's the Goalies job to erase them. But having a high volume of those breakdowns, ups the odds of some of them getting buy the Goalie. Limit the chances and limit the breakdowns. And I'll bet that the Flyers become a much better team.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 22 @ 9:04 AM ET
Yeah, he'd bring a strange magic to the team.
- tangent_man

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 22 @ 9:04 AM ET
yep. the goalie has to bail out his team from time to time...can't be an automatic.
- isaiah520



And Bryzgalov hasn't done that this year? He's done that more times then I could possibly recall. Bryzgalov hasn't played as well the last few games. But the focus is in the wrong place.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 22 @ 9:04 AM ET
He was trying to fire the team up.
- Jsaquella


I hear you, but pick your battles. The game was 4-0 at that point? It was pretty much game over. What if Parros fractures his jaw, or concusses him or something? Like I said I give him credit for having the guts, just didn't think it was very wise.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Feb 22 @ 9:06 AM ET
. Well Dhone could add a lot of muscle to the lineup and ELO was one of my wife's favorite bands.


- bmeltzer

Fairly confident that is Olli Jokinenenens other brother Holi Jokinenenenen
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 22 @ 9:06 AM ET
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 22 @ 9:07 AM ET
I thought it was because one of them drank a beer once.
- jmatchett

thrice maybe
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Feb 22 @ 9:07 AM ET
Admire Nik, but what the hell was he doing fighting the Ivy League Stache last night? Brave, but pretty dumb.
- PLindbergh31

Hahah I know man.. Hell, he did clip Parros good with that first one.. Had he followed that up it would have been a knockout no doubt. Freaking buckled his knees with it.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 22 @ 9:07 AM ET
yep. the goalie has to bail out his team from time to time...can't be an automatic.
- isaiah520


Agreed.

Laviolette deserves to be 2nd guessed for even starting Bryz. I think Bryz leads all goalies in minutes played. If there was a night off to give to Bryz, it would have been last night.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 22 @ 9:07 AM ET
If this happens, it will be the last game of the season.
- PLindbergh31

i'm talking about next yr then
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 22 @ 9:08 AM ET
Good for Nick. Had no idea he could do that. Not that he fared well in the fight, but the notion that we would even drop the mitts at all.....

I was at the game and watched Parros drop the gloves and thought..."oh, wonder who he is fighting". Had no idea it was Grossmann until they actually squared off. I also wonder if Nick asked for the fight or not.

- johndewar


I think Grossmann did it to try to inject some emotion into the club. There's also a bit of a history between the two players. Last night was actually the second time he's fought Parros in his career.

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 22 @ 9:08 AM ET
He was trying to fire the team up.
- Jsaquella

Can't believe people were questioning that. Loved Butsy's tweet about that last night.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Feb 22 @ 9:09 AM ET
You guys think that game may have been a self-fulfilling prophecy? Everything about it screamed trap game so maybe the Flyers got that in their heads and they were done before the puck even dropped.
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