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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 23 @ 2:49 PM ET
What happened to this team is young? Injuries? The team hasn't had a chance to gel b/c they have to switch things up every game.

They didn't get swept out last year by NJ.

I understand your point but I think Lavi has done enough to not get fired this year based on his track record with this organization.

- stveshdy


They are young and they have had injuries. But On top of that I'm not overly impressed with a team that comes out flat for the first 6 minutes and then suddenly picks it up because the coach burns a timeout.

I said they've basically been swept out of the second round two years straight. The Devils won 4 straight last year, with very little adjustment made by the coaching staff to what the Devils did to be successful.

And as I said, I'm not calling for him to be fired. What I am saying is, it's not as if they'd be firing Scotty Bowman.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 23 @ 2:49 PM ET
couldn't have been that long ... we lost to the Panthers about 30 minutes after we beat you guys, and I went back to feeling depressed.
- FlyerGuy



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 23 @ 2:50 PM ET
I don't think this team is poorly coached if thats what your asking. I do think the team that was assembled has many holes which comes from the GM.
- stveshdy


Well we can debate that it's the Coach or the players. Or both. And we know that it's missing some pieces. But it's not about that. Regardless of who's to blame. In a lot of ways, this team is a mess. And they certainly play like a poorly Coached team.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 23 @ 2:50 PM ET
Heard he's suffering concussion like symptoms. Not good.
- stveshdy

Yeah. Not good but since every concussion is different...we never know.
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Feb 23 @ 2:51 PM ET
Not at all.
- Orpik44


I don't revel in injury. I was rooting for Sid to get back healthy. Malkin though, they way he sneaks those dirty elbow shots to the head in (and never gets called on it), well I have a hard time feeling bad for him.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 23 @ 2:52 PM ET
They are young and they have had injuries. But On top of that I'm not overly impressed with a team that comes out flat for the first 6 minutes and then suddenly picks it up because the coach burns a timeout.

I said they've basically been swept out of the second round two years straight. The Devils won 4 straight last year, with very little adjustment made by the coaching staff to what the Devils did to be successful.

And as I said, I'm not calling for him to be fired. What I am saying is, it's not as if they'd be firing Scotty Bowman.

- Jsaquella


He's well respected around the league so in terms of Bowman (no hes not him) but its not like hes a bum either.

The Devils rolled past the Rangers also in the ECF. They played well at the right time and I credit them for that.

I just don't see this being all on Lavi or him being in danger of losing his job. That however is my opinion.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 23 @ 2:53 PM ET
Well we can debate that it's the Coach or the players. Or both. And we know that it's missing some pieces. But it's not about that. Regardless of who's to blame. In a lot of ways, this team is a mess. And they certainly play like a poorly Coached team.
- MJL


Thats your view/opinion on that situation. I'm not at practice or in the locker room everyday but I'm sure Homer has a pulse on the situation.
Cable2k
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Terrace, BC
Joined: 08.29.2006

Feb 23 @ 2:53 PM ET
If they do end up firing Lavy, do you think Tocchet would have a chance at the head coaching position?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 23 @ 2:54 PM ET
Thats your view/opinion on that situation. I'm not at practice or in the locker room everyday but I'm sure Homer has a pulse on the situation.
- stveshdy


Do you think they play like a well coached team?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 23 @ 2:55 PM ET
Do you think they play like a well coached team?
- MJL

Do you think they have played like that since he was hired?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 23 @ 2:56 PM ET
He's well respected around the league so in terms of Bowman (no hes not him) but its not like hes a bum either.

The Devils rolled past the Rangers also in the ECF. They played well at the right time and I credit them for that.

I just don't see this being all on Lavi or him being in danger of losing his job. That however is my opinion.

- stveshdy


Knowing the organization like I do, I'd say that Laviolette is safe for now, but if they don't start winning soon, he's going to be the guy blamed.

He's a Stanley Cup winner, but he was also working in TV when the Flyers hired him. After that Cup win, he didn't see the playoffs again as coach of the Hurricanes.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 23 @ 2:57 PM ET
If they do end up firing Lavy, do you think Tocchet would have a chance at the head coaching position?
- Cable2k


No. I'd be stunned if a coaching change resulted in anyone besides Terry Murray or John Paddock.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 23 @ 2:57 PM ET
Do you think they have played like that since he was hired?
- stveshdy


All the time, no they haven't. Although I have never been a fan of Laviolette's style of play. So do you think they play like a well Coached team right now?
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Feb 23 @ 2:58 PM ET
He's well respected around the league so in terms of Bowman (no hes not him) but its not like hes a bum either.

The Devils rolled past the Rangers also in the ECF. They played well at the right time and I credit them for that.

I just don't see this being all on Lavi or him being in danger of losing his job. That however is my opinion.

- stveshdy


They have a young core, they have not iced a healthy lineup all year and the injuries have been to important guys (Briere, Hartnell, Mesaros, and now Read), and despite taking big swings, Holmer struck out in the offseason. It is hard for me to pin their record on Lavi. Having said that, the trend of them starting games flat has been pretty consistent through Lavi's tenure. We used to blame it on Richards and the party crew skate off their hangovers, but the same lackluster starts are going on all the time despite turnover in personnel. I don't know if that comes back tio Lavi or not though because I seem to recall that being a problem near the end of Stevens' time here too. Maybe Lavi just needs to start every game with Rinaldo and the energy line.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 23 @ 2:59 PM ET
Knowing the organization like I do, I'd say that Laviolette is safe for now, but if they don't start winning soon, he's going to be the guy blamed.

He's a Stanley Cup winner, but he was also working in TV when the Flyers hired him. After that Cup win, he didn't see the playoffs again as coach of the Hurricanes.

- Jsaquella


I just don't think its all on Lavi. Thats only my point. He was good enough to take this team to the Finals but now b/c they are struggling this year and possible not make the playoffs hes not that good of a coach. He woke up and became a bum all of a sudden (not saying you specifically).
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
All the time, no they haven't. Although I have never been a fan of Laviolette's style of play. So do you think they play like a well Coached team right now?
- MJL


Right now they are struggling. I think the roster and the injuries help factor into him looking like a bad coach right now.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 23 @ 3:03 PM ET
I just don't think its all on Lavi. Thats only my point. He was good enough to take this team to the Finals but now b/c they are struggling this year and possible not make the playoffs hes not that good of a coach. He woke up and became a bum all of a sudden (not saying you specifically).
- stveshdy


I don't think anyone with half a brain would blame it all on Laviolette. Which again, is why I'm not calling on him to be fired. I'm not overly enthusiastic with the likely replacements, although I do like Murray and feel he's a good coach, too.

He didn't take this team. He took a team with Pronger, Richards, Carter and Gagne to the Final.

I'm also not saying he's a bad coach at all. Just saying that for a lot of different reasons, the job isn't getting done here and now. They get hot and go on a tear, kudos.

Cable2k
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Terrace, BC
Joined: 08.29.2006

Feb 23 @ 3:03 PM ET
No. I'd be stunned if a coaching change resulted in anyone besides Terry Murray or John Paddock.
- Jsaquella

Yeah probably. Too bad though. I think Tocchet would be perfect to coach this team!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 23 @ 3:03 PM ET
Right now they are struggling. I think the roster and the injuries help factor into him looking like a bad coach right now.
- stveshdy



I definitely think that the injuries and the roster issues are a factor in their record. But that really has zero to do with what I'm asking. Missing players to injuries doesn't make a team look poorly Coached. They don't look like a well Coached team and haven't all year long. You can be a team lacking in talent and still look well Coached as a team.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
I don't think anyone with half a brain would blame it all on Laviolette. Which again, is why I'm not calling on him to be fired. I'm not overly enthusiastic with the likely replacements, although I do like Murray and feel he's a good coach, too.

He didn't take this team. He took a team with Pronger, Richards, Carter and Gagne to the Final.

I'm also not saying he's a bad coach at all. Just saying that for a lot of different reasons, the job isn't getting done here and now. They get hot and go on a tear, kudos.

- Jsaquella


I don't think its fair to not include him in taken the Flyers to the Finals. He doesn't get credit for that but does for them struggling this year?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
Yeah probably. Too bad though. I think Tocchet would be perfect to coach this team!
- Cable2k


I don't. I think they need a guy who can teach as well as motivate.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 23 @ 3:05 PM ET
I don't revel in injury. I was rooting for Sid to get back healthy. Malkin though, they way he sneaks those dirty elbow shots to the head in (and never gets called on it), well I have a hard time feeling bad for him.
- Lexington Flyer


I don't know where you got that from. Malkin is an emotional guy but for him to go after somebody you'd have to crosscheck him 6-7 times (like Couturier always does)
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 23 @ 3:05 PM ET
I definitely think that the injuries and the roster issues are a factor in their record. But that really has zero to do with what I'm asking. Missing players to injuries doesn't make a team look poorly Coached. They don't look like a well Coached team and haven't all year long. You can be a team lacking in talent and still look well Coached as a team.
- MJL


Do you think Lavi is a good coach?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 23 @ 3:06 PM ET
I don't think its fair to not include him in taken the Flyers to the Finals. He doesn't get credit for that but does for them struggling this year?
- stveshdy


I'm saying he had a much more complete and experienced team when they went to the Final. He had two all star defensemen. Two twenty-five year old all star centers. An experienced vet that had a great playoff run in him in Gagne.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 23 @ 3:07 PM ET
I don't know where you got that from. Malkin is an emotional guy but for him to go after somebody you'd have to crosscheck him 6-7 times (like Couturier always does)
- Orpik44

Malkin does throw elbows. He's sketchy. I didn't say dirty. But everyone can play like that at times.

Fight nice you two.
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